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  • in reply to: Debt Rattle September 22 2021 #87822

    Posting this again minus the links. First posting disappeared.

    The august, science-affirming, academically-powered, trustworthy blog known as The Conversation just did it again: censorship!

    This morning they ran this: “Ivermectin shows us how hard it is to use old drugs for COVID. Here’s how to do better next time”

    People started to make comments, some of which did not support the narrative. I weighed in with what I’ve posted below. About 10 minutes later I reloaded the article to see who else had made comments, and lo and behold! all comments had been deleted and the comments closed off. Yep, science has been replaced by ideology.


    Here are some articles to digest.

    1. Ivermectin, successfully used in India, confirmed as Covid treatment by Bombay High Court


    The accused are served legal notice for their attempt to undermine the authority of the Bombay High Court and obstruct the use of Ivermectin for Covid-19 treatment.

    3.Uttar Pradesh government says early use of Ivermectin helped to keep positivity, deaths low, claiming that timely introduction of Ivermectin since the first wave has helped the state maintain a relatively low positivity rate despite in its high population density.

    4.HUGE: Uttar Pradesh, India Announces State Is COVID-19 Free Proving the Effectiveness of “Deworming Drug” IVERMECTIN

    5.Indian Bar Association vs WHO | Adv. Dipali Ojha with Rajiv Malhotra

    Advocate Dipali Ojha of the Indian bar association and a team of young indian lawyers have issued a legal notice to the world health organization over their blatant campaign against any alternative treatments. (Watch this asap before Youtube delete it.)

    The Indian and Australian stances simply do not comport. In view of the evidence from India, I would say that the Indians have it right and the Australians don’t.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 19 2021 #87575

    While this was written to ancient Israel first, it is sharply relevant to just about all Australian governments right now, and clearly reflects the situation worldwide.

    Isaiah 3:4–7: I will make boys their officials; mere children will govern them. People will oppress each other—man against man, neighbour against neighbour. The young will rise up against the old, the base against the honourable. A man will seize one of his brothers at his father’s home, and say, “You have a cloak, you be our leader; take charge of this heap of ruins!” But in that day he will cry out, “I have no remedy. I have no food or clothing in my house; do not make me the leader of the people.”

    Am I waiting for the day when people will NOT want to be leaders, to dominate and control? Yes? I am entitled to dream, no?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 18 2021 #87508

    A non-vaccine comment: this astounding new tripartite anti-China alliance rejoices in the acronym of AUKUS. The Great Auk is an extinct bird. How long before the Great AUKUS follows suit?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 18 2021 #87507


    Thanks for linking to those articles in the Indian media. I’d been after such reports for a while and couldn’t find them!

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 18 2021 #87505

    The chief minister of the Australian Capital Territory (ACT), site of the city of Canberra where I live, has said that he is reluctant to start a passport vaccination system because it would be discriminatory and unfair. This is encouraging, unlike Victoria which seems pleased to starve the unvaxxed into compliance.

    OTOH, I wonder what pressures will be brought to bear on him to change his mind?

    The most-afflicted states, NSW and Victoria, are tired of the restrictions and consequent huge economic damage, and want them gone, and this includes the various levels of government. Naturally, being convinced that vaccination is the only way out, they are enthusiastically promoting the campaigns, dangling before us the carrot of freedom-if-we-reach- 80%-or-so!

    I presume we go through this rigmarole all over again in 6 months’ time. And 12 months. And 18 months…

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 18 2021 #87484

    Australia just jilted France after only a few months ago declaring what great like-minded, freedom-loving friends we are. Now we’ve become yet more entangled in US affairs and US ambitions, yet more losses of independence and freedom.

    I’ll try to be even-handed in this brief analysis: maybe the Antipodean PTB really do foresee great dangers in our future and they really do think that insulting and angering France, and putting our free trade deal with the EU at risk, is an acceptable price to pay.

    Good grief, we’ve really poked the dragon now, the very dragon upon whose trade and commerce depends almost our entire national livelihood. China could bring us to our knees in a week simply by cutting off most trade with us. It would inconvenience them; it would crush us.

    Trouble with living on an island, even of continental size, is that there’s nowhere to go; no border guards to bribe to slip under the wire. I gave up my Norwegian citzenship decades ago. I wonder if they’d let me have it back?

    in reply to: Pandemic Brooding #87143

    Nitazoxinide is prescription-only in Oz.

    in reply to: Pandemic Brooding #87142

    Splendid essay, David! Many thanks for writing and sharing it with us, and many thanks to Raúl for providing the medium to do it.

    David’s gentle, reasoned and reasoning approach is most welcome in these increasingly disturbed and quasi-deranged times.

    It seems only yesterday that RetroSuburbia was released. Who’d have thought then that the future would include today’s situation. We may be retrofitting our suburbs far sooner than anyone anticipated.

    in reply to: The Narrative of Loss #86993

    I strongly recommend that everybody read How to Have Impossible Conversations by Peter Boghossian and James Lindsay (ISBN: 9780738285320). I have read it, need to re-read it, and find that it is indeed a very practical guide. Today more than ever we need this kind of practical wisdom and advice. May those who attend TAE become bright examples of reasoning and reasoned discourse.

    From Booktopia:

    Whether you’re in a classroom, an office, a town hall–or just hoping to get through a family dinner with a stubborn relative–here is a guide to having effective, civil discussions about today’s most divisive issues.

    In our current political climate, it seems impossible to have a civil conversation with someone who has a different opinion. Dialogue is shut down when perspectives clash. Heated debates on Facebook and Twitter often lead to shaming, hindering any possibility of productive discourse. How To Make Impossible Conversations guides readers through the process of having effective, civil discussions about any divisive issues–not just religious faith but climate change, race, gender, poverty, immigration, and gun control.

    Coauthors Peter Boghossian and James Lindsay distinguish between two types of conversations: those that are oriented toward arriving at truth, and those that may require changing the beliefs of people who do not want their beliefs changed (interventions). They then guide readers through the straightforward, practical, conversational techniques necessary for every successful conversation, up to expert- and master-level techniques to deal with hardliners and extremists. With key principles like the “Seven Fundamentals Necessary for Good Conversations,” this book is the manual everyone needs to foster connection and empathy with anyone.

    Please do not buy it from Amazon if you can possibly avoid it. Give someone else a go.

    in reply to: The Narrative of Loss #86989

    In Australia 9/11 produced some comment in the media, but not much. That day is already ancient history for so many people.

    Thomas Cole’s painting is one of a series of 5. Number 4 has had a lot of exposure on the Internet. Wikipedia says that his paintings reflect “popular American sentiments of the times, when many saw pastoralism as the ideal phase of human civilization, fearing that empire would lead to gluttony and inevitable decay”.

    Gluttony and decay. Ain’t that the prophectic truth! All empires follow the same trajectory. When will they ever learn?

    in reply to: OTC COVID Rxs, Azelastin to Zinc #86504

    Great post thanks! In view of the waning effectiveness of the vaccines, having other treatments available may be vital.

    OTC in Texas might not be OTC in Australia. A research project awaits me!

    in reply to: Debt debt Rattle September 7 2021 #86470

    The situation in Victoria is becoming totally surreal, a huge experiment in applied psychopathy. The madness is affecting other parts of the country. Only 18 months ago we had plenty of our freedoms, although even then the various federal and state governments were drawing up and passing restrictive legislation.

    The only way out of this is through it. We’ll just have to wait for the side effects to kick in — if any. Who knows; there may be few of them after all. There’s no shortage of other catastrophes looming: climate change, financial collapse, biosphere destruction, soil depletion, plastic pollution, costly energy, and so on.

    No hiding place anywhere. The entire planet is being shaken to its foundations. What next?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 5 2021 #86372

    Really like Vighi’s paper. Most of it rings very true. He doesn’t say in as many words that the plague was deliberately released. It may have been an accident. Whatever; it’s here now and being exploited.

    It always makes me wonder how TPTB, if they’re so intent on saving themselves and disposing of the rest of us, imagine their heavily depopulated economy will succeed. Capitalism relies on a consumer class, and if there’s too few consumers then there’s no real economy. Do TPTB really imagine themselves living luxurious, technologically maintained lives in their castles, while the plebs somehow make a living outside the moat? If this is anything like their thinking, then it has no future. It can’t have a future. If so, the term “suicide capitalism” has never seemed more appropriate.

    Here’s a recent video from Steve Keen, one of my gurus. The first half is mostly about economics; the second half is a discussion of the climate crisis from an economist’s point of view. A bit of (understandable) bad language in it. Steve heavily criticises neoliberalism for much if not most of the mess we’re in, and is profoundly and yet almost cheerfully pessimistic.

    The Arctic and Greenland icecaps are melting far more rapidly than projected, it won’t be too many decades until sea level rise drowns the world economy — and the projected 6m rise is more than enough to stop the game.

    Kendrick’s article articulates what I have been feeling for some time: what is truth? Yesterday I spent some time looking for solid evidence of the effectiveness of IVM in Uttar Pradesh (or even India more generally). I found evidence for and just as much against. So hard to separate the wheat from the chaff. We can ask the age-old question, “What is truth?” Reminds me of a situation in ancient Israel where “… justice is driven back, and righteousness stands at a distance; truth has stumbled in the streets, honesty cannot enter. Truth is nowhere to be found, and whoever shuns evil becomes a prey.” Nothing new under the sun.

    After Australia reaches its target of 80% vaccination and the heavens are opened and blessings poured out upon us, I rather expect those who are not jabbed to become the scapegoats, our sins loaded upon us and driven into the wilderness, preferably to die. Even when the effectiveness wears off and the vaccinated become infected and new variants arise, still it will somehow be the fault of the control group.

    Sorry. I’m getting a bit too maudlin today.

    in reply to: Five Alarm Fire #86220

    That BHF article is hugely interesting and relevant to me as I have heart disease. A pacemaker is keeping my condition stable, but if the heart tissue itself is undermined then I doubt that the pacemaker could resurrect me!

    in reply to: Five Alarm Fire #86219

    My concern with these articles is that they can be traced back to quality sources. I’m hoping to accumulate a dossier that may have weight in any argument. If ever I have to mount a defence of my position, most anecdotal sources will be deemed irrelevant — maybe a medical doctor’s personal blog would count for something but I suspect I’d need a few of those to avoid being laughed out of court. So far so good.

    A couple of days ago I received this reply to an inquiry I made about Novavax in Australia, having noted that our federal government has ordered 51 million doses of it. Make of it what you will.

    Thank you for contacting the Australian Government Department of Health.

    The Therapeutic Goods Administration, or TGA, has granted the Novavax COVID-19 vaccine with provisional determination and is currently evaluating it.

    Provisional determination means that the TGA has decided that US biotechnology company Novavax is eligible to apply for provisional registration for its vaccine. The Novavax COVID-19 vaccine is not yet approved for use in Australia — or anywhere in the world.

    The Novavax vaccine must pass the TGA’s rigorous assessment and approval processes before it can be approved for use in Australia. These processes include assessment of the vaccine’s safety, quality and effectiveness.

    If the vaccine is proven to be safe and effective and the TGA approves it for use, it’s expected that the first of 51 million doses will be available for use in the second half of 2021.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 2 2021 #86062

    In Oz we are seeing a growing number of MSM warnings about this dangerous ivermectin. Its safety record is of course never mentioned. The people must not be allowed to make up their own minds. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

    Well, yes it is. But I don’t mind warnings but I do mind that they’re totally one-sided. No recgnition, no possibility of alternatives. There is only one true god, whose name is vaccine. Do we see a form of medical idolatry in all this? An overblown faith in the ability of medical technology to solve this problem, and by extension all health problems? I think I do.

    In the graphic near the top of this edition, I think the most telling argument is that if the vaccines are so safe, why do the manufacturers have no liability? Flies in the face of just about all other consumer protections — and we the people are consumers of vaccines as much of anything else.

    Res ipsa loquitur, I think.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 26 2021 #85469

    Dr Da Costa’s testimony has the ring of truth and aligns with much of what I have seen and read and heard elsewhere. Thanks Germ for bringing this to our attention.

    I am at a total loss in what to think of the Australian medical establishment who continue to reject ivermectin saying that it doesn’t work and now is becoming dangerous.

    Are they genuinely concerned and protective of public health?
    Are their standards of evidence too high?
    Are they wilfully blind?
    Are they deceived?
    Are they ignorant?
    Are they frightened?
    Are they lazy?
    Are they proud?
    Are they … ?

    in reply to: The Lies Must Stop #85375

    “Comirnaty” sounds like something out of the Soviet Union. Lovely Slavic tone to it.

    in reply to: The Lies Must Stop #85371

    Just learned that yesterday afternoon in parliament, a vote to stop the Morrison Government granting $50 million in public money to oil and gas corporations to frack the Beetaloo and McArthur Basins failed – opening up the largest new fossil fuel basins in the country against the consent of Traditional Owners. The loyal opposition also voted for the grant.

    We are squandering our resource base as fast as we possibly can, and never mind the consequences because there won’t be any. Both major political parties regard climate change as a myth, and if it isn’t, technology will always save us.

    Covid has conveniently shut down a lot of possibilities for protest, and even before it struck the feds were working out ways to silence and/or destroy charities who make any sort of political noise.

    I am bitterly ashamed of where Australia has gone and is going. No integrity, no reason, no honour; only galloping greed and terminal stupidity.

    Sorry to be so glum. I do have my cheerful monents.

    in reply to: The Lies Must Stop #85363

    The ABC article I referred to above has as its first line:

    A growing number of people are importing an unproven treatment for COVID-19, prompting warnings from the nation’s pharmaceutical regulator.

    So for the time being importation into Australia is a fact. How soon before they close off that avenue remains to be seen.

    It links to another ABC article reporting on the bright idea in Queensland of not letting unjabbed people go to the hairdresser. The hairdressers are resisting—good. If the worst comes to the worst, my cutting my wife’s hair would be a tonsorial catastrophe!

    in reply to: The Lies Must Stop #85362

    In ancient Israel lepers were required to keep at least 4 cubits or about 2 metres distance from others. If one was downwind from the leper, it was 100 cubits at least.

    Today, depending on the part of the world you’re in, the physcial distancing requirement is anywhere from 1.5 to 2 metres, or 3 to 4 cubits.

    I guess we’re all lepers now.

    in reply to: The Lies Must Stop #85360

    ABC (Australia) ran an anti-IVM hit piece yesterday, very similar to the Rolling Stone article of a day or two before that.

    Totaler Krieg.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 24 2021 #85218

    Hmmm, truckie blockade in parts of God Zone Country, Australia? Wouldn’t be the first. I recall in 1979 the truckies blockading Canberra among other places as a political protest. It was quite effective. The federal government of the day had the good sense to negotiate and end it, but the feds also came within a whisker of calling in the military to end it. There was another in 1988 but it was small, more of a nuisance than anything else, and ended quickly.

    In the current climate of paranoid Lysenkoism, I can expect any blockade to be smashed immediately by the military. They’re already out in the streets (in small numbers in a few parts of the country), so a precedent has been set.

    Still and all, I will analyse the depth of my pantry. To stock up now is making wise provision; to stock up after a blockade has begun (if it begins) is hoarding.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 23 2021 #85134


    One Nation and/or Katter/PUP coming to power? Ghastly. <racking sob>

    Too bad it’s too late to emigrate.
    Don’t know where I’d go, though.
    Too much fire, too many frying pans.

    (Hmmm. Could I make a haiku out of that?)

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 23 2021 #85133

    @Doc Robinson

    Deficient, yep. Never thought too search by image. Thanks.,and good on @ianmSC.

    “Bewdy!” (idiom)

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 23 2021 #85130

    Sorry Doc, I mean where and HOW you found it. My search techniques seem to be inadequate.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 23 2021 #85129

    @Doc Robinson

    Thanks for the bigger image! I want to see some faces when I show them that. Could you please tell me where you found it? I need a primary source.

    I ask for the source because only “official & trusted sources” will count in any debate. I don’t want to be laughed out of court, so to speak.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 23 2021 #85117

    @Dr. D

    Where did you get that splendid graphic of how well lockdowns are working in Australia? And did it come with the dates of lockdown already drawn on it, or did someone else do that?

    The image is clickable and can be enlarged, but I still can’t read the fine print. It comes from Zerohedge but that doesn’t lead me anywhere.

    I could use it elsewhere.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 23 2021 #85113

    In Australia TPTB are getting desperate, especially the governments of NSW, Vic and the ACT. All state governments here are firmly convinced that the only way out of this situation is by mass vaccination. They also think that a return to zero covid is possible, and are enforcing draconian measures to get there. A lot of the ugliness the world is seeing now is a product of those. I loath what is happening but am powerless of course to do anything about it.

    The NSW Treasurer has been expressing concern about the serious economic effects, and he is right to do so. They are serious! Hence the vaccine panic.

    The Prime Minister has been copping a lot of flak for saying that Covid won’t go away and that we must learn to live with it.

    The Chief Minister of the ACT in a press conference yesterday again urged all Canberrans to get vaccinated, and that “it’s a race against time.”

    The Conversation (Aust. edition) told us this morning that cases are surging in Israel, the main reason being that:

    78% of Israel’s 12 and over population is only around 60% of the total population. And 60% vaccination coverage is simply not high enough to achieve herd immunity with the more infectious Delta variant.

    She says the country’s experience, along with that of certain undervaccinated parts of the US and UK, provides a glimpse of what might happen in Sydney if the NSW government lifts restrictions before the population is adequately vaccinated.

    It’s important to note vaccines remain highly protective against severe outcomes. The rate of serious cases in Israel is nine times higher for unvaccinated over-60s than vaccinated over-60s.

    To open safely, it’s about reaching high enough vaccine coverage plus focusing on other measures such as adequate ventilation, masks, third booster doses for health workers, and vaccinating children.

    Nothing there about leakage or waning effectiveness or adverse effects or the efficacy of non-vaccine treatments. Nope; while adverse effects exist, in proportion to the number of vaccinations they are small to the point of irrelevance. So we are all urged to stop worrying and love the vaccines. Everything will be all right.

    And that pretty well IS the official view here, among medicos, academics and hence politicians, the media, and hence the general public. I know a number of dear people who have been jabbed, and I do hope that in fact the vaccines prove safe for them.

    in reply to: The Covid Coyote Conspiracy Theory #84998

    No it didn’t. Follow the link and scroll down until you see a big blue circle. Dramatic!

    Could someone tell me how to insert an image in a post? Attachment didn’t work. The IMG tags wants a URL but the image is on my computer.

    in reply to: The Covid Coyote Conspiracy Theory #84997

    An academic, official depiction of one risk factor (blood clotting) cause by the AZ vaccine. If I had time I’d produce a similar diagram of other risk factors, official and unofficial, for other risk factors and other vaccines. But I don’t.

    No wonder the public and politicians are relaxed about vaccination policy.

    To be honest, if push comes to shove then I might consider the Novavax offering (protein-based, not GMO), but I can’t find enough layman-level analysis of it to have a better informed opinion. The last report I read said that it may be approved in Australia in the last quarter of this year.

    (Let’s see if this works.)

    in reply to: Stop Mass Vaccination Now! #84630

    Could I ask everyone posting here, would you please not just post a link to something or other, but at the same time provide a brief summary of what it’s about?

    I’m finding it takes me longer and longer to peruse TAE’s (important) daily digests, I have other things to do during the day (like planting several rows of silver beet yesterday), and I need to estimate where my time is best spent. Summaries, however brief, would be really, really useful.

    in reply to: Stop Mass Vaccination Now! #84627

    I remember about a year ago when Canberra underwent its first period of restrictions (I refuse to use the L-word), hearing on the radio a presenter saying how eagerly she was looking forward to the arrival of the vaccines so that she and everyone else could be liberated.

    Another reason for the maintenance of the vaccination program is that the public need HOPE. We’re all weary of the plague and its management, and to take away hope of relief from the public is a big ask. The vaccination crew are selling hope as much as anything else.

    I have read somewhere that the delta variant is virulent enough so that Dr Kory has become infected, and he is finding that IVM has reduced effectiveness. What then lies ahead with, say, the lambda variant? Or later on the omega?

    in reply to: Stop Mass Vaccination Now! #84626

    We’ve all seen bottles of hand sanitiser and kitchen cleansers and the like proclaiming that they “kill 99% of all germs.” It seems to be general knowledge now (at last) that this means 1% of the germs are not killed, and it is these tough ones that prosper and breed. Human action promotes selective breeding for sanitiser resistance. Our profligate misues of antibiotics in the food chain is destroying the effectiveness of antibiotics for human health purposes.

    So yes, why should this virus behave any differently?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 17 2021 #84287

    Just now successfully accessed John Day’s blog: 11:04, 18/8/2021, AEST. Hope its unavailability was just a glitch.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 17 2021 #84285

    phoenixvoice asked, “(1) Are run of the mill people in Australia aware that the vaccinated can still contract and transmit Covid?
    (2) Are run of the mill people in Australia aware of the myocarditis/pericarditis risks, of the blood clot risks?
    (3) Are they really going to permit their precious children to get jabbed?
    (4) WTF is going on?”

    Four questions, my four answers in brief:

    1. Increasingly so but thus far it’s a s-l-o-w process.
    2. In general, no. The general attitude is that such side effects are rare to the point of irrelevance.
    3. Yes.
    4. Among other things, a dose of our own medicine.

    Let me enlarge a little.

    Re (1), the news is slowly seeping in around the edges, but the MSM narrative, including academic sites like The Conversation, still hew to the party line. It’ll take a mighty lot of adverse effects to change their minds. And to be impartial we must address the hypothesis that the mooted side effects may not prove as severe as many fear. This requires time to assess and we’re not being given time — THAT is my main gripe about all of this. Lack of time.

    It’s also starting to happen that information about non-vaccine treatments is making its way into the public forum. People need to be given the choice of vaccine or non-vaccine treatment — but they’re not.

    Re (2), this sort of info is a bit abstruse yet. Give it time.

    Re (3), I know a mother of 3 young children, oldest about 11, who believes firmly in the powers of vaccines to keep her and hers safe. She has willingly accepted the jab herself and is impervious to arguments against it. She is understandably keen to protect her kids, and in her estimation this is best done by trusting medical science. She is NOT evil, NOT stupid. Her days are full and she does not have the luxury of time to pore over discussions on TAE and other websites. Now multiply this by the hundreds of thousands and it’s obvious why we’re in this situation.

    Re (4), one thing going on here is that it rhymes with what we did to the indigenous peoples of this country. A big dose of our own medicine. It is a great sadness of the epidemic that its arrival shut down an important exhibition at the Australia Museum in Sydney about the European invasion and occupation of this country. The exhibition is due to close on 10 Oct, and on present indications the plague will still be with us then.

    The exhibition shows clear and indisputable historical evidence that the Brits simply invaded this country, Roman-style, seeking geopolitical advantage and another territory to plunder. The indigenous peoples were brutally pushed aside, in spite of much surprisingly successful early resistance. My delightful forebears used germ warfare (smallpox-infected blankets) to turn the tide. Later on we stole their children from them. We chased them of their lands and imprisoned them in a foreign system. The incarceration rate for indigenous people is vastly higher than for the rest. They have been pushed to the bottom of the heap and are kept there. Sensible and humanitarian recommendations of Royal Commissions are in the main ignored. Recently the world learnt how horribly much of this was duplicated in Canada and the US.

    The plague is kind of doing to us what we did to them. It invaded us. It is locking us up and badly damaging our economy, just as we damaged and largely destroyed the indigenous economy. It is afflicting our children and our adults in many ways: physically and psychologically. We have choices and freedoms taken away from us. The parallels go on and on.

    It is all so sad. In particular I deplore the polarisation taking place. We are divided in two and set against each other. I think the analogy is a good one, that of rats in the cage subjected to electric shocks who attack each other as scapegoats for the externally-applied shocks.

    in reply to: Hope #84159

    Ulysses S. Grant said, “I know no method to secure the repeal of bad or obnoxious laws so effective as their stringent execution.”

    Is this a realistic hope in this era? Seems to me that the machinery of oppression and subjugation has been fine-tuned after centuries of experience, especially to the point of convincing the general public that imprisonment is a form of liberty.

    At the moment I think that Australia is a lost cause. The only thing that might mitigate the tribulation, but not avoid it, could be the multiplication of variants and the consequent realisation that it’s all out of our control. And in the MSM here there DOES seem to be a growing acceptance of vaccination futility. It’s got a long way to go, but it has started.

    in reply to: Hope #84124

    Chink in the IVM denialist armour?

    A month ago the Spectator’s Australian edition published an article entitled “Hunt goes off-script with IVM”. Excerpt:

    Indeed, federal Health Minister Greg Hunt wrote to one of the doctors in Australia who prescribes ivermectin confirming that he was aware that some physicians are prescribing ivermectin off-label for Covid and that they were quite within their rights as the practice of prescribing registered medicines outside of their approved indications is not regulated or controlled by the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA), it is at the discretion of the prescribing physician. Yet the silence persists. Ivermectin is the drug that dare not speak its name.

    About 3 weeks ago it published “Ivermectin: It’s as Aussie as Vegemite”. Excerpt:

    That treatment was discovered by Australian Professor Thomas Borody based on research by Australian scientists at the Doherty Institute and Monash University. Borody, who discovered the cure for peptic ulcers using a triple-therapy, has developed a triple-therapy for Covid using safe, cheap, approved medications.

    Doctors are already legally prescribing his therapy in Australia and the key medication — ivermectin — is being used in various combinations around the world and has been credited not just with dramatically reducing cases and deaths in the devastating second wave in India but also in Mexico City. Indeed, it is currently being used in 17 countries in Europe, Asia, Africa and Latin America and even in the US, where it is legal but where families sometimes have to get court orders to force hospitals to use it, to save their relatives lives.

    The Spectator is rather right-wing and I don’t always like its style, but in this case what the columnist wrote aligns with what I’ve been reading all over the place. Indeed, if the right-wing Spectator publishes articles like this, maybe the right-wing Murdoch press will do likewise? That could be good for spreading the word owing to the excessive influence Murdoch has in this country.

    Even the ABC today is writing that owing to delta, herd immunity via vaccination is impossible. A bit more:

    Local experts say in addition to the US example, data from multiple international jurisdictions across the world means the concept of herd immunity is now an “impossibility”.
    “It [herd immunity] requires people getting immunity from being vaccinated and immunity from contracting COVID, and recovering.
    “In the UK, for example, more than 90 per cent of people have either been vaccinated or recovered from COVID and even they haven’t got herd immunity.
    “In Australia, we’re relying purely on vaccination, as we don’t have enough people who had had COVID and recovered. …”
    [However] “Biden’s right, it’s becoming a ‘pandemic of the unvaccinated’.”

    Interesting that the quoted experts say that immunity can be achieved by the jab or by recovering from infection. No mention of adverse effects, though.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 12 2021 #83571

    “I sometimes add someting to the comments at the Australian “Conversation” site, which is a bit like an atheist trying to address a synod.”
    Hilarious! My feelings exactly!

    I do look forward to the Great Wall of Academia having many more holes bored in it.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 12 2021 #83570

    It seems that ivermectin is not as effective against delta as against the rest of the alphabet. Pierre Kory has caught the plague now. He says that early treatment is vital. It starts to sound as though the lambda variant is not bothered by any of the major vaccines.

    Now what?

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