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  • in reply to: Debt Rattle January 7 2021 #67906

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    @M
    Paranoid notion indeed but, in these times, in this land, not at all out of the question. Just flash a few greenbacks around and you can get people to bark like seals and most anything else.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 7 2021 #67895

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    A quick search will show that the “Viking” double agent is not and has never been a BLM supporter. The picture being bandied about showing him at both the AZ BLM rally and the DC Trump rally is misleading as hell and is cropped to hide the fact that he is carrying a “Q sent me” poster.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-protester-capitol-antifa-qa/fact-check-man-with-painted-face-wearing-fur-and-horns-rallied-for-trump-and-qanon-not-antifa-or-blm-idUSKBN29C0BP

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 22 2020 #67200

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    @JohnDay
    Thank you for your explanation of virus isolation.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 21 2020 #67159

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    John Day
    I’m confused. Can you help?
    What does it mean to say that the virus has been isolated? I read in many places that C19 has not been isolated. But wasn’t the genome sequenced? I would have thought that it would need to be isolated in order to be sequenced.
    And the new variant; how is it identified? it would seem that you would have to isolate a virus to identify a variant. No?
    Thanks.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 16 2020 #66951

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    Yes there IS an authentic health crisis. There always is.
    It’s been called heart disease,
    obesity,
    diabeties,
    cancer,
    addiction,
    And oh yea, there’s a new one now called COVID. And we must do everything we can to “defang” this newest member of the “Let’s Kill All the Humans” club. Now we must stay focused and not let anything stop us. And, if in our zeal to conquer this deadly beast, we happen to kill more people through overdose, suicide, domestic violence and delayed medical care, well sorry but shit happens and we don’t have time to worry about that now. We just need to kill the beast. And if an extra 10 – 15 million people in the rest of the world die of starvation because of all the economic chaos and disruption of life needed to defeat this scourge, well, so be it. We don’t have time to think about them either.

    Because there IS an authentic health crisis.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 13 2020 #66795

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    Dr. D
    Enjoyed your very well stated comments on capitalism but I’d like to add my own thoughts on one more comment that Phoenixvoice presented.

    Phoenixvoice Re: Piketty
    ” However, over time capitalism tends to naturally accrue profit and resources into the hands of the few. (Piketty proved this a few years ago.) ”

    Piketty was completely wrong. Capitalism is the victim here. Capitalism doesn’t tend to naturally accure profits. Not at all. It is the capitalist (would be plutocrats) who take advantage of the system and the government to concentrate wealth in the hands of the few that distort capitalism into plutocracy and destroy the capitalist systems that have served the people so well. Once the wealth is concentrated in the hands of the few then it’s no longer capitalism. Capitalism is dead, Plutocracy rules. A proper government’s duty to it’s citizens is to keep the capitalist system from becoming a plutocracy.

    Capitalism is at the core of human nature. The desire to explore, create and improve one’s lot in life is driven by clever human who enlist other humans to help create their visions. It is not so much the job of government to regulate capitalism as it is to protect the ever evolving human nature of capitalism from a hostile takeover. Unfortunately most “bought and paid for” governments choose to be part of the takeover.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 9 2020 #66622

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    @Dr D Rich

    It’s hard to keep track of the BS coming out of the CDC but reality seems to be finally catching up.

    WITHDRAWN
    Decrease in Hospitalizations for COVID-19 after Mask Mandates in 1083 U.S. Counties
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.21.20208728v2?fbclid=IwAR0WiwUH-qqAzduD3ZcNm1rtzM5C8r9Lw0qvq5Ip0sDxlOmZym9k8u3NdAI

    in reply to: 95% Vaccine Efficacy? Not So Fast #66489

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    Does anyone know what the actual risk reduction is for the measles vaccine?

    in reply to: 95% Vaccine Efficacy? Not So Fast #66488

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    Maybe someone here can clear things up for me. I’ve read that the virus has not yet been isolated but I’ve also read that the Chinese had sequenced the genome of the virus and published it back in February. Can both be true?
    How might the human challenge be done? Will they just put volunteers in a room with infected people?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 29 2020 #66164

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    @dermotmoconnor
    You should get your D level checked and adjust accordingly. People absorb and retain at different levels. Vitamin D is fat soluble and your body will store any excess you consume. The 60,000IU dose for 2 weeks in the referenced study is intended to bring your stored level up quickly. After that a daily dose of 5000IU is intended to maintain those healthy levels.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 29 2020 #66163

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    Here in my part of the US the most popular dose of Vitamin D3 is 5000IU and the cost is around $.03/dose. I’ve taken a daily dose for years and my lab tests show me at a consistent 50-60ng/ml. My reading tell me that I’m in the sweet spot (>50, <100). With more and more data touting the benefits of D supplements I’ve been appalled at the lack of attention this subject has garnered.

    I assumed that the price in other countries was comparable and I’m surprised to hear such large discrepancies. Is mail order an option for you in Greece?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 19 2020 #65797

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    D B S

    I would say that America has a very distinct culture. We are a country that was created primarily by people who were not satisfied with the life they were living and made the choice to change their worlds by uprooting themselves from the life they knew to one of unknown risks and dangers. This is a decision that is beyond the capabilities of most human beings. This restlessness is the common thread of American culture. This is an integral part of the American DNA and while society may currently act like deer frozen in the headlights I’m quite confident that the great awakening will occur. People will recognize how great our technology is and how clever we humans are to have invented it all but at the same time realize that technology is just a tool that pales in comparison to being a living emotional being in an unfathomable universe.
    Some people think that humans have reached the planetary limits and that our only choice is to stabilize or severely lower the earth’s population and manage the remaining resources for the good of all that remain. I’m on the other end of that spectrum believing that humans will find a way to expand and populate the entire solar system. Sure there’s a chance that humans will destroy themselves and be a tiny footnote in the universal ledger but I’m betting the other way and believe that we’re far from done. We will come to appreciate just how special a place we have in this planet earth and will do everything we can to preserve it so that centuries from now it will be the Mecca of human existence that all the citizens of the solar system will want to visit at least once in their lifetime.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle November 19 2020 #65794

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    “Something about that Danish mask study doesn’t add up.”

    But Doc, what percent of the population has been tested? Maybe if we tested the entire population the infection rate might just be around 2%

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 16 2020 #64502

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    Raul
    you make an excellent point regarding obesity. A simple observation will easily conclude that the west has a much bigger problem (and waistline) than the east. And finally it seems that vitamin D is getting the respect that it deserves.
    “A Single Large Dose of Vitamin D Could be Used as a Means of Coronavirus Disease 2019 Prevention and Treatment”
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32904593/
    Although I’m not sure why they felt the need to use a single, nearly toxic, 300,000 IU dose to quickly build up the body’s D level. The evidence of it’s effectiveness is becoming overwhelming. However I still don’t see any general public recommendation from the CDC or the NIH to use “D” supplements.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 15 2020 #64499

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    Hopefully this post contains a picture comparing the infection rate between Boston MA and Stockton CA during the 1918 epidemic. The use of masks was compulsory in Stockton but not in Boston. There is no difference in the rate or severity, in fact Boston looks better. Every scientific study since 1918, including RCTs, have concluded the same. Masks do not have any appreciable effect on the spread of infectious diseases.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 15 2020 #64472

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    Boogaloo
    There’s over a century of science on the effectiveness of masks for the prevention of viral transmission and virtually every study has concluded that they do not work and it is a totally inappropriate strategy for the population at large. Presenting one video that show how cloth masks stop spit spray and concluding that the mask can stop everything is quite a leap of faith or is it hope. It’s not like noone has ever thought about it before. People want to believe it’s just that easy but the science always says the opposite. In February the WHO, the CDC, NIH, OSHA, Fauci, Redfield and the surgeon general all recommended against universal masking. Do you really think that the settled science regarding facemasks has changed that radically, that quickly?

    Here’s some quotes… there’s many more to choose from.

    ‘Face masks in public places are not necessary, based on all the current evidence,’ said Coen Berends, spokesman for the National Institute for Public Health and the Environment. ‘There is no benefit and there may even be negative impact.’
    Holland’s position is based on assessments by the Outbreak Management Team, a group of experts advising the government. It first ruled against masks in May and has re-evaluated the evidence several times, including again last week.

    CDC Policy Review Found No Evidence Of Usefulness Either
    “In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs [randomized controlled trials] that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks …

    N Engl J Med 2020; 382:e63 DOI: 10.1056/NEJMp2006372
    Universal Masking in Hospitals in the Covid-19 Era

    As the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic continues to explode, hospital systems are scrambling to intensify their measures for protecting patients and health care workers from the virus. An increasing number of frontline providers are wondering whether this effort should include universal use of masks by all health care workers. Universal masking is already standard practice in Hong Kong, Singapore, and other parts of Asia and has recently been adopted by a handful of U.S. hospitals.
    We know that wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers little, if any, protection from infection. Public health authorities define a significant exposure to Covid-19 as face-to-face contact within 6 feet with a patient with symptomatic Covid-19 that is sustained for at least a few minutes (and some say more than 10 minutes or even 30 minutes). The chance of catching Covid-19 from a passing interaction in a public space is therefore minimal. In many cases, the desire for widespread masking is a reflexive reaction to anxiety over the pandemic

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 10 2020 #64290

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    “Flowers will grow from the ashes of capitalism”

    Yea, Roses

    in reply to: Late Night Biden #63790

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    Interesting topic that you’ve hit on. I am a late night TV junkie and have had many conversations about the various players. First of I think you can say that all of the late night hosts are liberals with democratic leanings and so is the late night audience. No right leaning host has ever succeeded. Jon Stewart was my favorite. A sharp wit and a low tolerance for fools. While certainly left leaning, Jon would have no problem and take some delight in ridiculing both democratic and republican baffoonery. Steven Colbert was brilliant in his right wing persona but floundered terrible trying to be himself. He suffered in the ratings until he found his foil in Trump, an easy mark with tons of baggage. He rode that whipping boy relentlessly and it took him to #1 in the late night ratings over silly man Jimmy Fallon who seemed to want to be more of an entertainer than a political analyst.
    But how long can you beat the same dead horse? Colbert has gone from funny to mean, just one nasty comment after another. Seth Meyers also seems to have a visceral hate for orange man and takes great delight in finding a way to mock anything and everything Trump. Sorry Seth you’re not very funny, just plain mean. And now “The Daily Show with Trevor Noah” which started out OK has now just degenerated into orange man bad, white man bad, every night, with a little relief from some of the secondary players.
    I don’t watch anyway near as much late night as I use to. I want a little light humor before falling to sleep not “something to think about”. When I do watch I seem to migrate to Jimmy Fallon who I use to think was just too silly for my taste but now I find that “silly” is a welcomed, pleasant relief from the constant Trump bashing political analysis of the other hosts.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 20 2020 #63486

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    Doesn’t look like my attachment made it. I’ll try again…

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 20 2020 #63485

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    Where do all you “maskers” get off? What could possibly justify this obsession with enforcing your paranoia on the rest of us? And with threats of shotguns no less?
    Virtually every scientific study on mask effectiveness at stopping the spread of viral infection for the last hundred years, starting with the 1920 report and as recently as September of last year, have concluded that mask wearing is NOT effective at stopping the viral spread and is only useful as a psychological crutch for the paranoid.
    Prior to March 2020 every major health and safety organization agreed, “Masks should not be worn by the general public”. These included the CDC, NIH, WHO, OSHA, and more. These positions were expounded by the heads of all of these organizations. Yet somehow 100 years of science has been totally upended by a few studies demonstrating how efficient masks are at stopping spit. Now everyone’s on the same page basically saying mask up or die and the MSM spends all it’s time scaring the crap out of people with a totally unwarranted certainty.

    The 1920 analysis of cloth mask use during the 1918 pandemic examines the failure of masks to impede or stop flu transmission at that time, and concluded that the number of layers of fabric required to prevent pathogen penetration would have required a suffocating number of layers, and could not be used for that reason, as well as the problem of leakage vents around the edges of cloth masks. (see attachment comparing Boston, no masks, to Stockton, mandatory masks)

    The virus is .1micron in size. N95 masks are 95% effective at stopping .3micron particles but are minimally effective at .1micron. Even if properly fitted cloth and surgical masks are just a good laugh to any self respecting virus and I doubt if more than 1% of people wear properly fitted and clean masks.
    I’m no rabble rouser, I wear a mask when I shop or interact with others. I do it for them because I know that people have been freaked out by all the BS, they’re scared and I have no desire to frighten them anymore then the MSM already has but I don’t believe for a minute that this mask is doing me or them any good at all. Now if someone wants to point me to some real scientific studies that tell a different story then I’ll be glad to consider them and if the evidence is compelling then I’ll change my mind.
    People like DrCiber should do some research before making such outrageous, uneducated threats.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 10 2020 #63102

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    Raul,
    If lockdowns and masks are effective in reducing the deaths caused by covid -19 then shouldn’t we have seen a noticeable drop in the number of deaths caused by the “plain old” flu that we see every year? That does not seem to be the case in the England and Wales statistics as shown in the Off Guardian article:

    Flu is killing more people than Covid19, and has been for months

    Flattening the curve by reducing interpersonal contact makes sense to buy some time to keep the system from getting overwhelmed but, given the size of this airborne virus, masking seems to be an exercise in futility.

    in reply to: A Society of Emasculated Liars #62544

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    Does Ilargi have a medical degree that he’s hiding from us? Why is he qualified to comment on COVID?
    What about economics? Where’s his credentials to justify his writings on reserve currency?
    He talks about oil and energy; is he also a closet geologist?
    Hey I was over on John Day’s site and he had some pretty strong opinions on the environment and climate issues. When did he become a climate scientist?
    But for some here the good Dr. D needs to be some kind of medical professional to garner any credibility or to even have the audacity to post.

    Dr D has been one of the most informative and consistently entertaining commentators on this site. His research is usually quite good and his insight are anything but shallow and he delivers it all with just the right touch of wit and cynicism.
    OK maybe he needs a refresher course with CALC.EXE since 812,758 deaths out of 7.59 billion people = .01% not .00001% but then again maybe he’s only counting people who actually died of COVID and not with COVID but I’ll let that pass and I’ll ask the good Dr. D to keep ranting on.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 29 2020 #61603

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    “Dollar hegemony isn’t foreordained. For years, analysts have warned that China and other powers might decide to abandon the dollar and diversify their currency reserves for economic or strategic reasons.”
    Diversify into what? After you acquire all the cars, private jets, fabulous mansions and your own personal islands just what do you do with those left over billions?
    I keep asking the question but never do I get a satisfying answer.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 9 2020 #60968

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    Doc R.
    I read the paper you posted and have come away somewhat confused. Maybe you can clarify a few things for me.

    Budesonide does not surpress virus replication but ciclesonide does?

    One UK database study among 817,973 people with asthma observed a nonsignificant 10% increase in COVID related mortality associated with use low or medium dose ICS and a significant 52% increase with high dose ICS” – This sounds bad but then…

    “for patients with asthma, the current guidance is to continue taking their ICS containing controller therapy because it may confer optimal protection against viral infections including SARS-CoV-2 – This sounds like a good thing.

    Comments?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 14 2020 #57310

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    “The historical facts are counter intuitively just the opposite from Dr D’s assertion. Except for a 2% overall increase in suicides the mortality rate actually goes down during economic downturns with high unemployment. Great Depression and Great Recession being notable examples of studies done.”

    I’ve heard this before and it has to be one of the worst counter arguments I’ve ever come across. Let’s extend it further and put everyone on permanent lockdown and just slide them food under their doors for the rest of their lives. That’ll drive that mortality rate even lower. Let’s not forget that the number one cause of death is living. A gilded cage is still a cage. Our lifespans are limited and the level of risk I’m willing to take to live it to what I consider the fullest should be my choice. The pity is that I have to make that choice using information I can’t trust.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle April 6 2020 #56739

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    Facts are simple and facts are straight
    Facts are lazy and facts are late
    Facts all come with points of view
    Facts don’t do what I want them to
    Facts just twist the truth around
    Facts are living turned inside out
    Facts are getting the best of them
    Facts are nothing on the face of things
    Facts don’t stain the furniture
    Facts go out and slam the door
    Facts are written all over your face
    Facts continue to change their shape
    I’m still waiting…I’m still waiting…I’m still waiting…

    Talking Heads – Crosseyed and Painless

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 25 2020 #54381

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    For all the math challenged…
    1% of a billion is 10 million
    1% of the world’s population is 77 million
    1% of the 40% of the US population that might get the virus is 1.3 million
    not to take anything away from the seriousness or the death potential of this virus but exaggerating the numbers doesn’t help one bit.

    in reply to: The Big Lockdown #53565

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    Seems to me that it would be a lot easier to fudge the “infected” number than it would the “dead” number. I could easily see the infected number being 10, 20, even 50 times higher than reported but the dead number would be much harder to suppress. So maybe in the end the mortality rate 10 or 20 times less than we think today and this story just becomes the latest failed media driven apocalypse.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 16 2020 #52755

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    What is Putin up to? Something has to change in Russia…

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    in reply to: Energy vs Waste #51173

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    Raul
    You throw around this .5% efficiency number like it has some special meaning in summing up the stupidity of the human species. Like the species had a choice and just made the wrong one. I don’t understand what to think about this number. Should I be proud that my species was able to conceive and create such a contraption or should I somehow be ashamed of this accomplishment?
    Before cars people rode horses and a horse had to be raised, fed and attended to while it grew into something useful to man. Now a man uses it to ride to town. Should I calculate the efficiency number of this horse technology and if I do, what does it mean? Was the development of horse and buggy technology an earlier bad choice made by my species?
    Humans are natural being. We have evolved from smaller brained beings that don’t have the intellectual reasoning capacity to care about things like energy, waste and resource limitations. At our core we are still driven by nature and just like nature drives bacteria in a petri dish to multiply and expand until they run out of resources, humans are the same. This is what we do. This is what nature drives us to do. Any intellectual attempts to control or reverse these natural tendencies is doomed to failure. It’s not natural. Humans will continue to use our position at the top of the natural order to control and utilize all the resources available to us. We will fix the problems that we create when they absolutely have to be fixed. And when we run out of resources then, like the bacteria in the petri dish, we will collapse and die or we will use our technology to expand outside of earth proper and find more resources to utilize. It’s what we do.

    in reply to: Things November 5 2019 #51070

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    Finally Dr. D makes a statement that puts the whole 737 scare affair into it’s proper perspective. The 737 max is the latest iteration of an exceptionally safe and reliable airplane. The problem, as we all now know, was not the plane, not the heavy motors, not even the sensor; the problem was and is the fact that the control philosophy overriding the software development has morphed from one where the control system software was developed to service the pilot’s needs to one where the pilot is just considered a backup system.
    I’d bet that the design team for the first generation 737 control system was headed by a control engineer to provide the pilot with information and assistance to make the flight as safe and comfortable as possible. Software development and coding would have been subordinate and focused on servicing the requirement of the control engineers. But over the last few decades things have changed. Sensors have gotten cheap and tiny. Computer processing has seen both exponential increases in power and decreases in size and cost. People figure that adding some additional code to an existing software package cost nothing except maybe a little programming time and some testing.
    I’d bet that the MACS software upgrade was developed by some software engineer and approved by some manager with a Management/Software Design degree.I say this because the control logic used in this sub loop is a complete rookie mistake that no self respecting control engineer would ever make. The idea of a logic loop that uses a single point of failure to take complete control of critical control systems is absolutely ludicrous. Such a critical loop should at least have had it’s own warning light and a disable switch mounted directly underneath. The pilot would have easily recovered and reported the failed sensor upon landing.
    Keep in mind that this new safety feature was implemented because a computer analysis determined that the plane had a slightly higher chance of stalling under certain circumstances. I don’t know of any reported instances where the system actually was needed and worked as planned. This was not a critical safety system. The pilot could have easily recovered by disabling the MACS. It does not require 3 sensors. 3 sensors would be overkill.

    in reply to: Assange, Attack, Guardian, Journalism #49289

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    Keep at it Raul. Jullian needs to stay visible and hypocrites need to be called out.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle May 22 2019 #47507

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    “Climate change and the jet stream”
    and
    “The little boy who cried wolf”

    How many more failed predictions of an ice free arctic passage must pass?
    How many more climate models need to crash and burn?
    How much more historical data need to be “adjusted”?
    How many more suicidal walruses do we need to see jumping off cliffs?

    I guess the little boy was eventually eaten by the wolf but until I see them farming in Greenland again I just can’t seem to take it seriously anymore..

    in reply to: Debt Rattle February 23 2019 #45560

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    Hmmm Isn’t the use of climate reanalyser’s data just another form of cherry picking?

    in reply to: Eat Less Meat and Save the Planet #45239

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    What an excellent piece of work. Thank you Dr D

    in reply to: Debt Rattle January 15 2019 #44845

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    • Antarctic Losing 500% More Ice A Year Than In 80s – NASA (Ind.)

    “Between 2009 and 2017 it lost an average 252 gigatonnes a year. This has added 3.6mm per decade to sea levels, or around 14mm since 1979, the study shows.”

    Hmmm… let’s do the math. At 3.6mm/decade that’s 36mm per century or about 1 1/2 inches per century. At 252 gigatonnes per year we will see an ice free Antarctica around the year 3100.

    Don’t we have bigger issues to worry about?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 18 2018 #44420

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    • ‘No Existing Countermeasures’ To Russian Hypersonic Weapons – US Gov’t (RT)
    This is a very frightening piece of news for the US.

    That is if it can be believed…

    ‘High-tech’ robot on Russian TV was man in suit: report
    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/12/17/world/offbeat-world/high-tech-robot-russian-tv-man-suit-report/#.XBmb_2hKhaQ

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 18 2018 #44415

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    Well I guess Kunstler couldn’t have been more wrong. Can’t wait to hear the new spin on the uppity black activist judge.
    Trump foundation dissolves in disgrace. Could it be that we actually still have the remnants of a functional legal system? Nay, too much to hope for.
    Dr. D, stop rewriting history. Noone in the financial world predicted a Trump victory would lead to a stock market crash. Very few predicted a Trump victory and the few that did bet heavily on a market rise the very next day.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle December 17 2018 #44401

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    “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it…”
    Think this might apply to the 90+% of climate scientists employed by tax hungry governments?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle October 8 2018 #43257

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    If the IPCC isn’t the classic chicken little, the sky is falling story then I don’t know what is. For the most part their predictions have been wrong, wrong, wrong. A simple look at the more than 60 climate temperature models shows gross over overestimation. Theories are developed and then real world model are created to test the theories. Any sane scientist would conclude that there’s something wrong with the theory and that additional adjustments in the model are a waste of time. Now we’re being told that the experts have grossly UNDERestimated the effects of CO2 induced climate change and now we need an even more extreme reaction to save us from the worst effects and, by implication, touting the only possible solution to be a world government. Well color me skeptical.

    (sorry I couldn’t figure out how to link the graph of the climate models)

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