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  • in reply to: Debt Rattle July 12 2021 #79494
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    The D-Dimer test only confirms what I think was fully to be expected, namely that the vaccines cause clots in (nearly) everyone, just that in most people they are only very small. In any case, it’s a concrete reason not to accept the jab.

    Couple that with the material presented in the Fuellmich/Martin video and it becomes clear that the real bioweapon is the vaccine, not the virus.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 11 2021 #79486
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    @ezxla1949

    I Google translated the prof Gazit story since I couldn’t find an English version.

    in reply to: The “Safe” Vaccines #79456
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    “ This is both infuriating and heartbreaking. I hope we vaccine hesitant are the ones who are wrong, I truly do.”

    I’ve run this thought round in my head so many times over the last few weeks but every time I come to the same conclusion, that it’s extremely unlikely. The reasons being that lies and coercion are required to get people to take the jab; it’s the vaccinated who are scared of the unvaccinated instead of the other way around; and the vaccines don’t work (as the table above shows). Add to all that the adverse reactions and deaths and it’s clear that the jabs are bad news.

    in reply to: The “Safe” Vaccines #79444
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    Then there’s this:

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 11 2021 #79442
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    Agreed about Israel, in fact I forgot to highlight this sentence “ Dr. Eyal Fox from Rambam Hospital, according to which 100% of the seriously ill patients who are currently hospitalized there are vaccinated..”

    Considering the Nazi links of the “Schwabists,” do you think that Israel was deliberately chosen to be first to “enjoy” the benefits of the Pfizer vaccine?

    I also wonder about Russia and why they aren’t rolling out the ivermectin.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 11 2021 #79440
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    Now for something from Israel.

    Prof. Doron Gazit: “We are in the fourth wave of infection; the green mark must be returned”
    “We see more and more people getting infected every day,” a member of the Hebrew University’s epidemic monitoring team told Ynet. “It’s too early to know if the effectiveness of the vaccines has been harmed compared to the past, but it does not look good.” According to him, already a week and a half ago he offered to return the green mark. He also recommends moving as many activities out as possible – “especially summer camps”

    Prof. Doron Gazit: We are in the midst of a fourth wave of Corona.
    Should we use the term we were so afraid of – “fourth wave of the corona” – or is it “just” an eruption? There is no doubt that Prof. Doron Gazit of the epidemic monitoring team of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. “We are in the middle of a fourth wave of infection,” he told the Ynet studio today (Tuesday). “We see more and more people getting infected every day.”
    read more:
    Following the spread of the Delta strain: this is how the third dose of vaccine will affect the body
    Doctor: “My son became infected with about 14 other children and the kindergarten teacher. We all went into isolation.”
    Prof. Cyril Cohen: “A third dose should not be given to healthy people”
    Asked if the state is not doing the right thing in dealing with the plague in recent weeks, he replied: “We still do not know what is not done right. We also do not know what to do. Only today we will begin to see the effect of masks, which began to wear indoors ten days ago. Today we would like to see them start to make an impact.I see that in public transport and in public places masks are taken care of, and I hope this will lower the rate of infection a bit.

    “The thing is, we still don’t know what the immune effectiveness is in preventing a serious illness. Until we know this detail, it will be difficult to say what needs to be done.”

    Wearing masks again on public transport. “It is worth trying to stop this wave when it is relatively small” (Photo: Lehi Krupnik)

    Prof. Gazit was asked if he would recommend returning the green note now, saying: “Absolutely. The green note affects the routine relatively little. We recommended it a week and a half ago. Even if they return it today, it will take time for it to have an effect. “Stop this wave when it is relatively small. 500 verified per day is no longer so small.”
    Later, Prof. Gazit was asked to comment on what he said today to the Ynet studio, Dr. Eyal Fox from Rambam Hospital, according to which 100% of the seriously ill patients who are currently hospitalized there are vaccinated. “It should bother us that we need to keep following,” he said. “It’s too early to know if the effectiveness of vaccines has been harmed compared to the past, but it does not look good. However, it is important to understand that most recent infections have been in places where there are very many vaccinated, so it is not surprising that there are more vaccinated.
    “If the infection is widespread in places that are less vaccinated, we can say smarter things about vaccine efficacy. In the meantime, we need to continue to monitor.”
    “It’s important to understand that most of the recent infections have been in places where there are a lot of vaccinated, so it’s no surprise that there are more vaccinated infections. We need to keep an eye on it.”
    At the end of the interview, Prof. Gazit reiterated his recommendation to return the green mark, and also emphasized the importance of wearing masks at events and public places, including restaurants. “It’s an important thing,” he said. “I would also recommend moving as many activities out as possible – especially summer camps. In the next stage it will be possible to consider imposing restrictions on gatherings of unvaccinated people. At the present stage this is still not true. At the present stage it is important to take as soft measures as possible. From infection, because even a vaccinated person is not Superman. “

    https://www.ynet.co.il/health/article/By1Lehbau

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 11 2021 #79439
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    Epic rant today, Dr D, thanks for that.

    As for putting the criminals on trial, there’s an attempt in Holland to do just that:

    The National Bond against Government Affairs has filed a criminal report on behalf of 4470 people against [prime minister] Mark Rutte and his [ministers]. This collective declaration was made at the Sneek police station.
    Rutte, De Jonge, Ollongren, Schouten, Van Ark, Grapperhaus and Kaag have been reported for, among other things, participation in a criminal organization whose object is to commit crimes against humanity, serious violations of international humanitarian law, of death or bodily injury through negligence, consciously and systematically inciting fear and acting against the security of the Dutch state and its citizens, and acting with the intent to bring the Reich wholly or partly under foreign rule.
    Police officers in various municipalities refused to record reports

    The report on behalf of the 4470 people was made in Sneek because the Bond received messages that showed that police officers in various municipalities refused to file reports against Rutte. The Bond estimated that the chance of refusal of a declaration in Sneek was small.
    The Public Prosecution Service is now obliged to make a decision about whether or not to process the report. If the Public Prosecution Service does not take the report seriously, the Association will start a so-called Article 12 Sv procedure at the Court of Appeal. If the Court of Appeal agrees with the Public Prosecution Service, a complaint will be filed with the International Criminal Court.

    “The National Bond against Government Affairs has filed a criminal report on behalf of 4470 people against Mark Rutte and his followers. This collective declaration was made at the Sneek police station.
    Rutte, De Jonge, Ollongren, Schouten, Van Ark, Grapperhaus and Kaag have been reported for, among other things, participation in a criminal organization whose object is to commit crimes against humanity, serious violations of international humanitarian law, of death or bodily injury through negligence, consciously and systematically inciting fear and acting against the security of the Dutch state and its citizens, and acting with the intent to bring the Reich wholly or partly under foreign rule.
    Police officers in various municipalities refused to record reports

    The report on behalf of the 4470 people was made in Sneek because the Bond received messages that showed that police officers in various municipalities refused to file reports against Rutte. The Bond estimated that the chance of refusal of a declaration in Sneek was small.
    The Public Prosecution Service is now obliged to make a decision about whether or not to process the report. If the Public Prosecution Service does not take the report seriously, the Association will start a so-called Article 12 Sv procedure at the Court of Appeal. If the Court of Appeal agrees with the Public Prosecution Service, a complaint will be filed with the International Criminal Court.”

    https://www.ninefornews.nl/4470-mensen-doen-aangifte-tegen-rutte-wegens-deelname-aan-criminele-organisatie/ (In Dutch)

    Feeling some animosity towards the English at the moment, Ilargi? Frankly, I’m not surprised, they’ve been doing their best to behave like arses lately. The way rags like The Sun and the Daily Mail have been fomenting xenophobia around the European Championship is just disgusting.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 9 2021 #79313
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    “…and told him I thought it was irresponsible and immoral to get vaccinated…”

    Thanks, Oxymoron, I needed that.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 8 2021 #79189
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    (Google translate) The Prime Minister of Luxembourg, Xavier Bettel, placed under observation at the hospital on Sunday, will have to remain hospitalized for another “two to four days” because of the persistence of symptoms of the coronavirus.

    He had been transferred to the hospital after having tested positive for Covid-19 and to “carry out additional analyzes” .

    His current state of health is considered “serious but stable”.

    Symptoms after a European summit

    Xavier Bettel, 48, began a ten-day period in isolation on June 27, less than 48 hours after a European summit in Brussels where he had met the other leaders of the European Union. The head of the Luxembourg government then presented mild symptoms (fever, headache).

    No other participant had been considered as a contact case, the barrier gestures having been respected, having then indicated the government of Luxembourg. Xavier Bettel received a first injection of the AstraZeneca vaccine on May 6.

    https://www.leprogres.fr/sante/2021/07/06/hospitalise-le-premier-ministre-luxembourgeois-dans-un-etat-serieux-mais-stable

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 8 2021 #79187
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    I assure you, if it requires coercion, manipulation, gaslighting, 24/7 advertising, fear-mongering, silencing of dissenting opinions and experts, slandering of alternative options, tons of incentives, and indemnification from liability, then it isn’t required for health.

    Very well formulated, that’s a keeper.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 6 2021 #79029
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    Interesting what’s happening in the Anglosphere. Here, the mask mandate was dropped on 26 June and pretty much everybody ditched their masks immediately. No one calls anyone out for not wearing one (or the other way around – a very few people, manly old, people do still choose to wear one). Even now with the case rate (I know, I know) ramping up quickly, the RIVM (our CDC) says they’re not bothered because the hospital cases are still reducing. My friends are all vaxxed but when I tell them I’m not they look a bit surprised but otherwise don’t care.

    So why are the English-speaking peoples acting so weird? My guess is that it’s due to the extra-heavy fear factor being applied in those countries. There’s been a bit of that here but nothing like what I saw happening across the North Sea.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 6 2021 #78987
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    Frankly, I’m completely fed up with Klaus Blofeld, his World Eugenics Foundation and The Grim Reset. May this all be exposed quickly to save lives and so that the perpetrators can stand trial at Nuremberg 2 before they do any more damage.

    At least Reiner Fuellmich is working on it. This video of him talking to Jerm Warfare is worth watching, the takeaway is:


    – This “pandemic” must be fought on a legal front.
    – We need to build our networks.
    – Our sovereignty must be defended through decentralisation.
    – The Covid vaccine rollout is about control.
    – Get in touch with your spiritual side. Find meaning and purpose.
    – Focus on being healthy, fit, and happy.

    This Vaccine is about Control

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 27 2021 #78389
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    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 27 2021 #78387
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    Relevant to a lot of the topics being discussed on TAE is this conversation between Greg Moffett and James Tunney as they talk about his book Empire of Scientism: The Dispiriting Conspiracy and Inevitable Tyranny of Scientocracy.

    We are in danger of ceding power to a centralised cadre of bureaucrats and billionaires who assume authority to exercise power as they wish, believing they know better. The materialist paradigm has given rise to an ideology of scientism, an idolatry of technology, and an obsession with control and surveillance that is shared by communists and capitalists alike.

    Scientism is the expansion of science beyond appropriate boundaries to become an exclusive dogma. Hitherto separate and competing forces are now coalescing in a community based on the application of science to governance. Some scientists have described this movement towards a scientific world government, and yet those who protest are called delusional.

    The emergent Empire of Scientism will be hostile to religion, spirituality, and human rights and will promote transhumanism, post-humanism, and represent the demise of homo sapiens. This is the endgame as conceived by certain mainstream scientists and their sycophants. Unless we wake up and embrace our spiritual consciousness, we are doomed to suffer totalitarian rule before our final demise.

    First half is free, second behind a paywall.

    Highly recommended.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 23 2021 #78102
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    ADE in the UK?

    In England, Prime Minister Boris Johnson is postponing the planned openings. In Germany and Austria, too, there are already warnings about the new delta variant – formerly “Indian mutation” – of the corona virus, which is supposedly much more dangerous. However, the actual numbers do not provide that.

    New variant known for a long time, not as dangerous as claimed
    Mortality higher in double-vaccinated people than in unvaccinated people
    British vaccination campaign apparently does not protect against spread
    Now, of all times, British planes are landing in Vienna again
    Death rate in the fully vaccinated more than three times as high

    The death rate is particularly interesting here – because, curiously, this seems to be higher in people who have been vaccinated. Among those who have been vaccinated twice – that is, “fully immunized” – this amounts to 0.64 percent. In contrast, it is between 0.1 and 0.2 percent for first-time vaccinated persons, depending on whether the vaccination was just given or more than 21 days ago. Even in the unvaccinated, however, it is only 0.1 percent.

    https://www.wochenblick.at/ominoese-delta-variante-fuer-geimpfte-toedlicher-als-fuer-ungeimpfte/ (in German)

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 16 2021 #77481
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    It’s worth watching the rest of the Heidegger tweeted segment (linked in the tweet) where a woman explains that the oil and gas industry is preparing to replace all workers vaccinated with mRNA within the next three years. Obviously this means that at the very least they are expecting to have problems with these employees in the near future. Where are they getting their information from? That would be interesting to know, also, will the insurance companies start drawing similar conclusions?

    I’ve been thinking about why there’s nothing in the MSM about adverse reactions and, beyond any grand conspiracy, I reckon it’s a simple question of buyer’s remorse whereby very many in the MSM have actually followed their own advice and got the vaccine. They themselves now don’t want to hear that they might have made a terrible mistake and so they double down with promoting the vaccines as there’s safety in numbers.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 11 2021 #77149
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    I got my serological test today and it was negative. I asked what they looked for to see if I’d had Covid and the woman said antibodies. I tried to ask about T-cells but she just looked at me as though she had no idea what I was talking about. I didn’t bother with any more questions after that, it wouldn’t have been worth it.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 11 2021 #77110
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    The Vaccine Blinded My Cat

    That’s not an actual headline, I just made it up, but I think it may well be true as the cat went blind right after my wife got her second shot of Pfizer and the vet said the blindness was most likely caused by a TIA. Correlation but not proof of causation.

    Why is there such a push to vaccinate everyone if there is no faith that it will keep you safe? I’ve seen several articles about the vaccinated not wanting to give up their masks and in this article: No Jab, No Phone (RT) it says “We are doing all we can to compel people to get vaccinated… The government cannot allow individuals, who do not want to get vaccinated, to risk lives of those who are already vaccinated,” the health minister told Pakistan’s Express Tribune.”

    Meanwhile, pretty much everyone I know has either been vaccinated or will be soon and they are all convinced that we’ll be back to normal in the autumn. I hope I’m wrong but I think they’re going to be in for a rude awakening, maybe even before the end of the summer.

    in reply to: The Ethics of Child Vaccinations #76989
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    That’s the puberty age range, it will do the most damage to their endocrine system, hence lower fertility and thus future population growth thus lower resource drain on the ecosystem.

    That’s my take, too, Oroboros, as I wrote on TAE the other day, but I’m no doctor so it’s good to see a quote from one.

    On Dutch TV this evening, they were talking about vulnerable kids from the age of 12 now being eligible for a vaccine. They interviewed one girl with cystic fibrosis and another with a heart problem and they were all for it, but I was left thinking that the way the vaccine works, they might well wind up dead – a very depressing thought.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 7 2021 #76867
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    Doc Robinson wrote:

    “ Not surprising, since more than 1 in 3 people in the US have had a Covid-19 infection, according to the latest estimate from the CDC. It might actually be significantly higher than that, further reducing the potential benefits of the vaccines, while keeping all their risks to the vaccinated.”

    That’s like here in Holland where the guidelines say you should get just one jab if you’ve had Covid or two if you want to. I think it’s because the vaccine overrides your immune system and makes you vulnerable to future variants.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 6 2021 #76717
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    First do no harm.

    That is so 4th century BC.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 5 2021 #76645
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    With the spike proteins following vaccination collecting in the ovaries and testes, it’s clear to me, at least, that the whole push to vaccinate children has nothing to do with protecting them or herd immunity, it is about making a significant proportion of the young infertile.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 4 2021 #76608
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    “I see the Netherlands is just as insane and irresponsible.”

    You’re not wrong there, Dr. D, Doctors here can be fined €150k for prescribing ivermectin for Covid and I just learnt today that customs will block any purchases of ivermectin being ordered by private individuals. Jaap van Dissel (our Fauci) was asked why we don’t use ivermectin and he replied that it’s because it’s not useful against Covid, citing the WHO, CDC, NIH and Merck as evidence. What a total, misinformed git.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 3 2021 #76515
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    This is absolutely excellent and well worth reading the whole (long) thing. Canadian Julius Ruechel has dug into the data there and worked out (I would even like to say proved) that the measures put in place protected no one, and certainly not the vulnerable, exarcebated the situation considerably, needlessly shut down the economy and prolonged the pandemic based on either misunderstanding of what was actually happening or wilful malfeasance.

    The Lies Exposed by the Numbers: Fear, Misdirection, & Institutional Deaths

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 1 2021 #76414
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    “(Article in Dutch)”

    Click on the American flag and you get the article in English. I thought I had posted the English version but perhaps it defaults to Dutch.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle June 1 2021 #76410
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    “For months, reports have been circulating that people vaccinated against corona can spread the spike protein and transfer it to unvaccinated people. They would also become super spreaders of the virus. The reports are now confirmed by Luigi Warren, the inventor of mRNA technology.”

    Inventor of mRNA technology confirms: vaccinees become super spreaders

    Now we can explain why in every country where they started vaccinating that the number of cases quickly increased followed two weeks later by the number of deaths.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle May 31 2021 #76375
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    In terms of coronavirus, everywhere you look it’s Bill Gates and Tony Fauci again. According to Marcel van Tol they’re nowhere near finished with us yet.

    Is there really a conspiracy going on?

    “So Anthony Fauci knew, Bill Gates knew, the pharmaceutical industry knew, the heads of government and health ministers already knew in 2017: 2019/2020 will see a Covid-19 pandemic. Those vaccines that will be released soon will therefore not be put together within one year. They have been working on that for a few years.

    If there are still people who are ‘sleeping’ and have faith in the dictators. Then now is the time to wake up. There is a Schedule going on here. And it’s not going to stop after Covid-19.

    Recently, Bill Gates has stated that an even more severe and deadly pandemic will soon come. In order to rule out discussions about whether or not the ‘new virus’ would develop naturally, he and Melinda have already stated that it will become an ‘Engineered virus’.

    In other words, a created virus.

    I’d take his words seriously.”

    in reply to: Debt Rattle May 29 2021 #76253
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    Dr Peter McCullough blowing the lid off Covid. Essential viewing IMHO. Apologies if this has previously been posted.

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    @Rototillerman

    That sounds like a lot healthier situation than here in Holland where people are jumping the queue to get their shot just a few weeks earlier than the other guy and everyone seems to believe everything that’s said on TV about the virus and the vaccines as if it’s God’s honest truth. Everyone (I know at least) also believes that the sooner everyone gets vaccinated the sooner we can all get back to normal. I’m expecting massive cognitive dissonance in the autumn when things work out a little differently.

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    I’m an occasional doom-monger myself, but Michael Reid and Dr. D have set the bar really high today. Still, I’ll give it a go.

    It seems that a lot of the readership, like me, isn’t keen on getting the vaccine – and for good reason. However, I wonder how many of you are really like me in knowing absolutely no-one personally who has not either already had the vaccine or who plans to get it in the next few weeks. In my circles, I am in a minority of one. Taken to the extreme as suggested by Michael, that means that within just a few years absolutely everyone I know will be dead including wife and daughters. Yippee, I’m still alive! … Oh shoot. That doesn’t sound like too much fun to me. In addition, I can’t believe that if within the next, say, five years something like 50% or more of the population kicks the bucket, that the country will continue to function in a stable way, especially with the Chinese banging on the door.

    Maybe I’m just going to have to bite the bullet and get the vaccine, at least I’d be in good company.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle May 25 2021 #75914
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    Dr. D wrote: what if the Vaccine is to forestall, prevent an upcoming actual bioattack? What if it’s to mark the compliant people so we can kill the unvaxxed instead of the vaxxed as appears today?

    It would be a good reason why they might pull the Deagel forecast since many people might make the same correlation between drop in population and number of vaccinated and therefore decide not to get the shot. Instead, maybe a revised forecast will appear soon on Deagel with the numbers reversed pour encourager les autres i.e. anti-vaxxers.

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    For all you Alexa, Siri, Ring, iWatch fans:

    We know what you did during lockdown. An FT film written by James Graham. 17’

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    @John Day

    So you say that at least some people can get Covid a second time (in line with what a doctor friend in England told me) but that it’s not very common i.e. keeping you in line with what McCullough is saying, is that right?

    “I bet that if you already had COVID you can get badly ill from spike protein in your blood.”

    Perhaps you wouldn’t mind explaining that. If you’ve had Covid and then you get the mRNA shot, won’t your antibodies from the original infection recognize the spike proteins really quickly and eliminate them, or does that take a while because just the spike protein is not the same as the whole virus?

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    “ The spike protein causes damage to the inside of the blood vessels among other things and this blood vessel damage will continue to happen and only stop when the person dies.”

    I’ve been discussing this with my daughter who is a very pro-vaccine biomedical science graduate. She maintains that the affected cells only produce the spike protein for a while. Once, the immune system has identified the non-natural proteins, it produces antibodies to attack not only the spike proteins themselves, but also the cells which produce them. In a healthy person that should be within a matter of days.

    I pointed her to an article Germ posted a couple of days ago in which it was stated that in a small number of people spike proteins were detected in the blood 28 days after receiving the vaccine. She was very surprised to read that and suggested that it could be due to some underlying condition or compromised immune system, but that it certainly warrants further investigation.

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    Retry.

    A couple of days ago I posted part 1 of the conversation between Tucker Carlson and Dr Peter McCullough, in part 2 McCullough states clearly that you can’t get Covid a second time.

    P McC: Well, for very good grounds. Covid-recovered patients so far are racking up a terrific track record of freedom from reinfection. It’s nearly airtight. Think about SARS-CoV-1 is 80 per cent homologous to SARS-CoV-2 . . . SARS-CoV-1 and 2 are 80 per cent the same. The first SARS pandemic, people had durable and complete immunity. Seventeen years so far. You don’t get it twice. We’ve had 111million people in the world who’ve gotten this infection. If there was a chance for double and triple infections in the same person, we would have seen it by the millions. Millions. If you look in the literature, maybe you can find a hundred cases, where someone says, ‘You know, I think they got reinfected.’ And we look and almost always it’s a misinterpretation of one of these PCR tests, which is commonly false positive. (Unclear) One of the false narratives out there is you can get the infection twice. It’s a false narrative.

    And the FDA and the sponsors knew that, of course, they excluded Covid-recovered patients. They know you can’t get it again. They’re not going to have them in a clinical trial and have the clinical trial go to the null. They knew that. But when it came out, I think in an air of caution, this would be the innocent explanation, air of caution. They said, ‘You know what, we’ll make it available to everybody’. But quickly making it available to everybody started to become a coercive thing.

    […]

    I think America needs to take a deep breath and understand we’re treating Covid. We’ve got it under control. It’s manageable. Let’s see some deep dives on safety. I think we need an independent data safety monitoring board to look at all the safety events being reported to the CDC. America can see them. It’s in the VAERS programme, if you go to VAERS.com, it’s right there, America can see the numbers racking up in the categories. And they ought to ask, let’s have an independent data safety monitor board, look at all the events with the eye of risk mitigation.

    The idea that we’re going to roll out products and get it right the first time, how often does that happen in medicine? We always got to tweak things. Maybe there’s certain groups that shouldn’t get it. Maybe the doses are too high. Maybe the doses ought to be weight-based. There’s all kinds of things to consider.

    […]

    P McC: The Covid patients who recover, they have antibodies, they have T cell protection and innate emission. The antibodies are a pretty nice indication that you’re protected. But these T cell tests are terrific. This T cell direct test, that’s actually next generation sequencing. That is permanent protection. That’s your microbiological evidence of permanent protection.

    TC: Can you get that test? Can a civilian get that test?

    P McC: Somebody can go online, order it, and their medical director approves it, go to the lab and get it. No doctor needed. It’s wonderful. I think what parents ought to know is that children who are Covid-recovered, the clinical diagnosis is good enough to confer immunity. I think the big question is suspected Covid-recovered, you don’t know. You never got a test or you’re not sure. Then get the antibodies or the T cell test or both and show proof of immunity. I hope some rational thinking comes down on America to say, ‘Listen, proof of having Covid or proof of being a survivor recovered will be good enough,’ because otherwise this is getting out of control. I’ve said for these passports, people are talking about green passports, I say, ‘Why don’t you give a gold passport for the Covid-recovered? They should get first class. They can’t give it.’ Remember, the vaccines are not perfect. But that’s not even under consideration. That’s not even a public conversation.

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    @phoenixvoice

    I get your point, if you hold a chicken pox or measles party it’s pretty clear if your kid caught it. With Covid you don’t necessarily know. According to the website of the place I will use for the serological test, it will tell me whether I’ve had the virus or not for “peace of mind,” in other words I can’t use it to claim immunity. You can check out the website for yourself as they also have everything in English here. I’m sure you’ve got similar things Stateside.

    The point then is whether you just want to know if your kid has had Covid or if you also need to prove immunity to someone.

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    Instead of vaccinating kids, why not hold Covid parties? It’d be fun for them and much safer.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle May 21 2021 #75679
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    phoenixvoice: I can get a serological test done for €50. I plan to do that together with a PCR before going to France in a few weeks always assuming France allows tourists in by then. I’ll ask exactly what they test for when I have it done.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle May 21 2021 #75676
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    Germ: “2. can show immunity due to recovery from Covid.”

    The NOS (Dutch national broadcaster) today explained the green passport requirements and clarified that the EU has agreed that an “old” positive PCR test is required to prove immunity. How old “old” is, is not too clear, but the suggestion was just a few months or perhaps as much as six. Serological tests proving previous infection will not be accepted, i.e. (as usual) upside down logic.

    @Doc Robinson

    Yeah, I think you’re absolutely right, it will all be blamed on new variants and dirty anti-vaxxers, so vax up people.

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