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ParticipantWow, TAE is getting up to 4 pages of comments per edition! Some of it is chit-chat but a lot of it is very useful. Problem is that I could spend all day every day chasing up leads and information, but I do have other things to do with my time.
I think most of us agree that the controlled narrative has had its effect and the general public believes it. Not surprising as most of them have daily lives to manage, and necessarily rely on the MSM for their news, ideas and opinions.
Meanwhile the propaganda continues. My “favourite” source, The Conversation, today ran a story entitled
“If I’ve already had COVID, do I need a vaccine? And how does the immune system respond? An expert explains“, by Sunit K. Singh, Banaras Hindu University. Summary: Recovering from COVID and then getting vaccinated, known as hybrid immunity, is more potent than being infected or vaccinated alone.This notion has been the subject of much debate which I have been unable to keep up with. What is most telling is that this piece comes from a uni in India, several of whose states are using the medication-that-shall-not-be-named with success. As far as I can see, The Conversation never mentions you-know-what except to let it be denigrated in the comments stream.
I have decided that if ever I am discussing with someone the merits of the jab, it would be most effective to point out the long and demonstrable censorship campaign that has been going on, and ask why? No need to go into technical details, just ask about the narrative. If the jab is so wonderful, then why censor alternative claims? The MSM riposte is simple: it is wicked to spread misinformation because that will harm people. Riposte to the riposte: India and Indonesia and other countries are using you-know-what and claiming success. If it’s effective there, why not here? But I think the Semmelweis Effect will activate and cancel thought.
The word on the street here (Oz) is that the Feds will introduce a vaccination passport scheme in October. How burdensome they intend to make life for the unjabbed remains to be seen. It’s got to the stage with me and mine that if we have to cave in then we would ask for the Novavax jab. Thus far this one seems relatively OK, but who knows what revelations await.
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ParticipantThe WSJ article is gold: such support for the-medication-that-shall-not-be-named! But it’s behind a paywall and I don’t intend to send any of my AUD to Mr Murdoch.
The entire text is available from a number of other websites, including covid19criticalcare.com in PDF format, and pressreader.com.
Get it while it’s hot and pass it on.
Now I wait to see the nature and content of the counter-attack. Could even the mighty Murdoch press withstand it?
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Participant“…mandating individual tracking devices…”, devices otherwise known as cell phones. I used the term “cell phone” a while back and was laughed at for using an obsolete word. An oldie but a goodie!
The Stasi would have loved this device. Today, rather than setting up an elaborate network of spies and snoops to inform on each other, TPTB have got the people readily informing upon themselves. So easy.
Re Assange: “Officially stateless now? Nice. What says Australia?” Many, many people in Australia are outraged by and oppose his maltreatment. But we’re not numerous enough to end Canberra’s worship of Washington. The Feds seem really frightened of China, and see our aliance with Washington as security.
Reminds me of that scene in the movie Flash Gordon where Ming the Merciless is holding court with his vassal kings. He demands of one of them, “Are you completely loyal to me?” The nervous king replies, “Yes, you know I am. Completely loyal to you.” Says Ming, “Fall on your sword.” When the king hesitates — suicide hesitancy — Ming has him cut down by a guard. I wonder how close the parallels will run.
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ParticipantExcellent summary.
If I had the time I’d assemble a dossier of documents for presentation in a court of law. We’ve had plenty of material placed before us in previous months of TAE. But I doubt that one would ever get as far as testing the issues in any court. I feel that evidence contrary to the mainstream narrative would be ruled inadmissable and not worth a court’s time to consider.
One source of information which I feel has hugely failed us is The Conversation. It presents itself as a sound, academically-originated source of data and analysis, designed to enlighten and correct. But all I have seen in it for many months now is unwavering support for the mainstream vaccine narrative. I have not seen any serious discussion of methodological shortcomings, data gaps, or research bias. This morning they’re attacking Sputnik V, with statements like “many researchers have criticised the vaccine’s developer”, and “some scientists” say there are inconsistencies in the published data. The biggest strike is that “despite being approved by 69 countries with a total population of over 3.7 billion, Sputnik V is yet to be approved by the WHO or the EMA.” No wonder the general public believes the mainstream narrative. Anything We do is Good. Anything They do is Bad. End of story.
A young friend of ours who works in a hospital is getting not-so-subtle pressure from his parents to get the jab. He doesn’t want it, and so far the hospital has not yet made it mandatory. His wife, who also does not want the jab, has been accused by her in-laws of almost being a closet anti-vaxxer. This is in Oz.
It’s easy to see how society is splitting, or being split, in two. It’s getting nasty.
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Participant@russellnblbs
<p>I agree. The best way to deal with this quasi-Stasi system is to undermine it, white-ant it as we say here, and wait it out. Easy for me to say as I am retired and don’t need to work outside the home, or deal with growing children.</p>
<p>Demonstrations achieve nothing. During the Vietnam War plenty of demos were held and the government did not change its course in the least. If anythingTPTB hardened their hearts and grimly determined to go all the way with LBJ. It took an entire change of government (from right-wing to a splendidly humanitarian left-wing) before we quit the insanity. Australia can be such a bellicose little country at times.</p>
<p>In Canberra things are quiet. Delta hasn’t reached us yet, although everyone is expecting it and the ensuing spasm of imprisonment. We can still move freely around. I know a number of elderly and middle-aged people who have been jabbed and no ill effects have appeared. I can only wonder what happens 6 or 12 months down the track. Weather here is cold, rainy, grey, “dreich” as the Scots say, and we haven’t seen any upsurge in fatalities — certainly none attributed to the jabs.</p>ezlxa1949
ParticipantThe mood in Australia
Dr Parnis said vaccines were the “only way to escape the pandemic” but a focused rollout would not make an immediate difference to NSW’s COVID outbreak.
SourceAnd we’ve just ordered millions more doses from Pfizer. The federal government is copping a lot of flak for having been slow, slow, slow in getting the vaccines out. If the vaccine starts evidently failing, what future for any of our governments?
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ParticipantThe Conversation this morning had an article entitled “Indonesia records its highest increase in COVID cases –– and numbers are likely to rise again before they fall”.
I thought I’d comment that on top of everything else they are doing there, Indofarm are going to make ivermectin tablets in Indonesia, and that I would cite the report in TAE of 5/7.
Guess what: my post disappeared immediately. This has happened before. Could it be a simple computer error, is has the objective, data-seeking Conversation started screening out alternative viewpoints? Is it worth trying again? Probably not. An iron curtain has descended.
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ParticipantI have done my due diligence, believe me!
What I am keen to do is leave no opening to attacks, and one such attack would be to assert that I am merely going along with the conspiracy crowd and ignoring the wise guys.
“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” — Sun Tzu, The Art of War.
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ParticipantInitial impression: great stuff, well-written, conforms with much if not most of what I have been slowly learning for the past year or whatever! I have in fact been hoping for a summary like this to appear — even pondered tackling it myself but time simply does not permit.
On the other hand, if it conforms to my knowledge and growing suspicions, then to what extent am I another victim of confirmation bias? But then, the fact of confirmation bias does not ipso facto invalidate anything I read which agrees with my position(s).
Now, how will this essay be argued against, attacked, denounced? I am fairly sure that the cluster of academics on sites like The Conversation will try to bury it under a landslide of statistics, weight of evidence, specialist knowledge, conspiracy theory allegations, and so on. The media will simply ignore it unless and until they can’t, and we know how they deal with impudent authors like Khan.
Khan makes many claims but provides no citations for any of them. To make a strong case in any forum, all claims must be referenced back to a reputable source. Here’s hoping.
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Participantmadamski wrote, “My informed Aussie friends have been tellinbg me forever that Aus is run by an exceptionally numbskull breed of ignorant greedheads. I believe them. It shows.”
As an antipodean denizen, I agree with this assessment. It’s becoming more obvious by the day. The greed, or maybe just the stupidity, is unbelievable. The Feds came up with a $550 a fortnight income supplement last year, but this ended a few months ago. Much financial and domestic distress, but the Feds simply refuse to do anything more. Apparently the PM said the other day that because people have not been spending much, then they have savings — and they can spend these savings and get by. He seems to be completely out of touch with reality. The Feds lay huge and heavy burdens upon our shoulders but refuse to do anything to lighten them.
But the biggest problem in all of this is the popular idea that mass vaccinations will cure and solve everything. Our take-up rate is low, about 9 ot 10%, and the message everywhere is Vaccinate! Vaccinate! Vaccinate!
Begins to sound a bit like a screaming Dalek, doesn’t it: “You Will Be Vaccinated!”
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ParticipantSevere economic instability could be near. What happens to our medical systems if things get bad? A pandemic in the midst of a depression — doesn’t sound good.
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ParticipantPolder Dweller, where did you get that article about Prof Gazit? The URL leads to a Hebrew-only page with no English option, and I can’t find anything about Gazit and Rambam Hospital using Duckduckgo.
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ParticipantDr D wrote:
“Many saw a dramatic improvement within days of their jab. Their fatigue disappeared,”
This is the exact opposite of what everybody else said about the jab.Precisely. I was talking yesterday to one of my social circle who had the jab about a week ago. He told me that he’s been hit hard: great fatigue, inability to concentrate, has lost about half a week from his busy work schedule and doesn’t know if will be able to make it up, has been forced to cancel at least one social engagement. He said that things are improving slowly; OK in the morning but still runs out of steam about halfway through the day. Not happy.
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Participant“Catch up on your Greek alphabet, it’ll come in handy.”
I am morbidly curious to discover what the omega variant is like. Maybe someone could make a movie along those lines.
I’m going to dust off and re-read my copy of Laurie Garrett’s 1994 book, The Coming Plague: Newly Emerging Diseases in a World out of Balance. Blurb: “After decades spent assuming that the conquest of infectious disease was imminent, people on all continents now find themselves besieged by AIDS, drug-resistant tuberculosis, cholera that defies chlorine water treatment, and exotic viruses that can kill in a matter of hours.” And who knows what else.
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ParticipantRaúl: “Reaction? More lockdowns. Which have failed for 18 months now. And what are they trying to achieve? How long can you separate the entire country from the world? Until you reach zero, and then you can open and start all over again?”
It’s not all bad. The Australia Institute, an august non-neoliberal economic thinktank, is pointing out that the barriers to easy international travel into and out of Australia are having positive economic effects. Instead of neglecting our own people and importing cheap, already-trained
slavesworkers from overseas, we are being forced to train and hire locals — just as we did prior to the adoption of globalist policies. This is good.The vastly overheated housing market is calming down and becoming somewhat more affordable.
However, the flight of people from our overstuffed cities into small towns is not doing the locals there any good as they are being priced out of their own housing — purchase and rental — by the influx of urban sea-changers.
The Federal government recently announced plans to stop trying to extinguish the Plague and live with it, à la Singapore. So far it’s lomng on ideals and short on details, but it’s a start.
HOWEVER, when it comes to dealing with the Plague, the ONLY treatment one reads and hears about is Vaccines! Vaccines! Vaccines! The people know nothing else. It’s not their fault.
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ParticipantRe naturopaths in Australia:
Yes, naturopathic doctors can prescribe medications as they are no different to medical doctors. They attended a naturopathic medical school and studied the use and functions of pharmaceutical drugs. However, prescribing medications is not the primary goal of an ND. They are trained to treat and prevent diseases in a holistic manner, so they would consider all natural options to support the body’s innate healing mechanism.
SourceHTH.
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ParticipantEucalypts are in the myrtle family. Myrtle Rust not so long ago made its way into Australia from Brazil. Now we’re worried that this blight could cause immense harm to our eucalypt forests. Perhaps a northern hemisphere dominated by eucalypts would ensure the survival of the genus.
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ParticipantIt’s so disappointing to see what ivermectin hesitancy, fuelled by ivermectin denialism, is doing to public health.
BTW, if the elites want to pursue their transhumanist program, seeking immortality via technology, then let them go for it. Let them waste their time and brief lives. It’s a totally futile endeavour. Not even the universe is immortal — the laws of thermodynamics demonstrate that.
And what would these elites DO with their “immortality” anyway? It won’t benefit me, that’s for sure, nor anyone else. Could these immortal elites bring my dead parents back to life? Of course not. Transhumanism is utterly selfish and, as I just said, futile.
There’s a very strong delusion among these people!
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ParticipantP.S. I intend to start using the terms “ivermectin hesitancy” and “ivermectin denialism”. No reason why we can’t borrow terminology from the other side of the debate!
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ParticipantIn Australia the MSM endlessly repeat that all that stands between us and dire illness is the Federal government’s botched vaccine rollout program. And it has been botched. But to politicise it like this is of course missing the mark.
Naturally ivermectin is not mentioned anywhere in the MSM. However, I do notice in various blogs and comment streams an increasing awareness in at least some people that ivermectin works, and these people are saying so. The fact that the Indian government is suing that scientist in the WHO is very useful ammunition when making a case for ivermectin. It seems very hard to argue that the Indian gov’t has made a huge mistake and is wasting everyone’s time. Mind you, I haven’t seen any reports of this lawsuit in the MSM.
There’s an element of schizophrenia in reports. For instance, today the ABC has this article on its website: “The Delta coronavirus variant may be spreading, but high vaccination rates mean Israelis stay free“. In it we read this:
Days before he announced Australia’s pathway out of lockdowns, Mr Morrison used Israel — where 60 per cent of the population is fully vaccinated with the Pfizer jab — to warn Australians that vaccines are not the silver bullet in combating COVID-19. “Under this new Delta variant, [in Israel] we’re seeing potentially 50 per cent of new cases being people who have been vaccinated…”.
After blaming unvaccinated children for bringing the virus home, it goes on to say that the Delta coronavirus variant may be spreading, but high vaccination rates mean Israelis stay free.
The message is plain. TINA: There is No Alternative.
We must accept that most of the people in reports such as these have the best intentions. They really do believe that they are doing the right thing for the greater good.
The main question to ask is this: what would it take to change their minds?
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ParticipantThe Delta lockdown in Canberra isn’t too bad at the moment. Went shopping yesterday and ate at a café. None of this hand sanitising business. Masks are required only indoors (shops, cinemas, malls, etc). Anyone with asthma or other problems with masking are automatically exempt. They may be removed when eating indoors. And so on. At the moment we’re getting off lightly. At the moment.
Oh, and TPTB are quite insistent on our registering our visits to ALL businesses, preferably by use of an app on the
mobilecell phone. Obedience training?It’s planned to last for only 2 weeks, having started on Monday. Curious to see how this latest spasm pans out.
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ParticipantIt is clear to me from analysing the contents of mainstream website comment streams (e.g. The Conversation) that the prevalent attitude is, sure, we are seeing X number of injuries and even deaths from the vaccine, but in comparison to the total number of people jabbed, X is a VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE and anyway there’s always casualties from helath campaigns like this one and IT’S WELL WORTH THE COST to keep the rest of us & our children safe and END THE PLAGUE and FREE US FROM QUARANTINE.
It’s like talking to a brick wall.
But then, most people don’t follow sites like TAE or Peak Prosperity or the various others, and get all their news, ideas and opinions from the MSM. No wonder they think this way.
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ParticipantBrief Australia Report
The attitude here overwhelmingly is pro-vaccine. Endless propaganda. Doubters are ignored. The precautionary principle is ignored. Politicians, much of the medical community, academics, left- and right-wing media, and so on all suport jabbing. (Hmmm: new Star Wars character: Jabba the Nut ?)
Sydney and now Canberra are resuming mandatory mask-wearing, for 2 weeks initially while the NSW government attempts to trace a small number of people. Is the Delta variant really so incredibly infectious? I have no way of telling.
We’ve had the beta and delta variants, and maybe an epsilon is around the corner. Don’t know if a gamma was identified. At this rate we can make our way through the Greek alphabet and when we get to the omega variant we all drop dead. I’m getting to the stage where I would welcome that…
Then we get stories such as the one in the ABC yesterday about a super-spreader party somewhere in Sydney where 40-odd people got infected and 6 didn’t. The 6 were all vaccinated. Ta-da! True? Why not? This vaccine must be good to some extent, otherwise the public would notice (wouldn’t they?) and turn against it.
There is serious talk among TPTB in at least NSW to introduce vaccine passports, based of course on apps on the almost ubiquitous
mobilecell phone. Ownership and carriage of a cell phone isn’t mandatory yet, but I suspect it will become so. We so enjoy our fetters.ezlxa1949
ParticipantBrief Australia Report
The attitude here overwhelmingly is pro-vaccine. Endless propaganda. Doubters are ignored. The precautionary principle is ignored. Politicians, much of the medical community, academics, left- and right-wing media, and so on all suport jabbing. (Hmmm: new Star Wars character: Jabba the Nut ?)
Sydney and now Canberra are resuming mandatory mask-wearing, for 2 weeks initially while the NSW government attempts to trace a small number of people. Is the Delta variant really so incredibly infectious? I have no way of telling.
We’ve had the beta and delta variants, and maybe an epsilon is around the corner. Don’t know if a gamma was identified. At this rate we can make our way through the Greek alphabet and when we get to the omega variant we all drop dead. I’m getting to the stage where I would welcome that…
Then we get stories such as the one in the ABC yesterday about a super-spreader party somewhere in Sydney where 40-odd people got infected and 6 didn’t. The 6 were all vaccinated.True? Why not? This vaccine must be good to some extent for something, otherwise the public would notice (if the media let them) and turn against it.
There is serious talk among TPTB in at least NSW to introduce vaccine passports, based of course on apps on the almost ubiquitous
mobilecell phone. Ownership and carriage of a cell phone isn’t mandatory yet, but I suspect it will become so.I’m fed up with The Conversation website, a site written by academics only aimed at spreading accurate information and dispelling myths. Much of it is good, but at the same time there are far too many academics who seem to see only one side of an issue. Impossible to argue with them. They’re only human after all.
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ParticipantPharmacy is a combination of the Greek term * pharama form IE * bher- (to charm, enchant) and -(a)-ko- resulting in * pharmako- (magic, charm, cure, potion, medicine) and in Latin pharmacie.
— https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15146844/In the Bible the KJV translates pharmakeia as sorcery or magic arts. When I look at where at least part of the pharmaceutical industry is heading, I think that’s more than ever a relevant translation.
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ParticipantI’m an Australian aged over 60, and based on my curernt knowledge, there is no likelihood of my accepting a jab with ANY of the vaccines currently on offer. Maybe Novavax, maybe valneva, but certainly not Pfizer’s or AZ’s.
The propaganda campaign in the Land Down Under to get we the people to accept jabs of either the Pf or AZ vaccine is renarkably strong, but so far we are TOT being forced to submit to either.
I can only hope that The System self-destructs before it transmogrifies into full-blown totalitarianism. At the moment self-destruction seems not to be as far-fetched an idea as we may have thought only a few months ago.
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ParticipantApologies for typos! Should proof-read more carefully before hitting the Submit button!
Come to think of it, that’s what TPTB want us ALL to do: hit the Submit button.
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ParticipantYesterday I tried unsuccessfully to post a scan of a letter from the Oz Fed gov’t. Never mind, here are relevant excerpts:
Dear X,
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If you haven’t yet made your booking to be vaccinated, it’s never been easier with more clinics, Gps, and centres ready to take your appointment. You can do this by visiting australia.gov.au or call the vaccination helpline on 1800 020 080.
Our worldclass regulator, the Therapeutic Goods Aministration (TGA), has approved the vaccines as safe to use and continues to closely monitor their safety. Millions of Australians have already been vaccinated, including many of our population aged 70 and over.
If youhave any specific questions about the vaccines, always speak with your GP.
Attached is more information about accessing your immunisation certificate once you have received your vaccine.
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If we have further outbreaks of the virus in Australia, it is people aged 70 and over who are most at risk of serious illness and even fatality.
Australia has shwon the world that be working together and listening to the health experts, we can save lives, protect livelihoods and live as normal a life as possible during this pendemic, which is far from over and still presents challenges ahead.
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(signed) Prime Minister, Minister for Health, Chief Medical OfficerRes ipsa loquitur.
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ParticipantNope.
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ParticipantOne more try.
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ParticipantHmmm, the file didn’t upload and it was <512KB in size. Do I try again, or not?
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ParticipantThis letter arrived yesterday. Not much comment needed, except to say that the part about “accessing your vaccination certificate” means being able to see that you are recorded as having been jabbed on a government database. Being on this database is optional and I never opted in.
How long before push comes to shove is anyone’s guess. But it has to come.
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ParticipantI just received a newsletter email from my Federal Member (of Parliament). It’s entitled “Vaccination is the Pathway to reopening Australia”. It contains a lot of noble thoughts and ambitions, but is completely informed by the TINA hypothesis. It has ominous overtones too. Here’s an excerpt:
Until we reopen Australia, sectors such as international tourism and higher education will continue to suffer. The hit to universities could be as much as $20 billion. We’re also denying Australian families the chance to connect with loved ones, young people the opportunity to see the world, and businesses to expand globally. In the coming months, millions of Americans will take summer holidays in Europe – something that’s unthinkable for Australians.
Oppositions should do more than criticise, which is why Labor Leader Anthony Albanese and Shadow Health Minister Mark Butler have proposed a four-point plan: speed up vaccination, create purpose-build quarantine facilities, manufacture domestic mRNA vaccines, and run a national ad campaign to overcome vaccine hesitancy. Australia isn’t even in the world’s top 100 countries for speed of vaccination. This is a race, and the Morrison Government is losing it.
Vaccination is freedom.
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ParticipantMany thanks to sumac.carol for bringing ivermectin resistance to our attention. Essential knowledge.
To hold our own in any debate — regardless of whether we prevail or not — it is important that we be aware of, acknowledge, and deal with arguments against our position, otherwise we appear just as one-eyed as anyone else.
I read The Conversation, a blog / newlstter written by academics only but addressed to the general public. Among its purposes are to educate the public and dispel confusion. When it comes to the plague and its treatments, The Conversation’s consensus is clearly that any treatment not a vaccine is ineffective. (In the Australian vernacular, Ineffective = NBG, or No Bloody Good.) Every now and then I try to raise doubts in the comment stream, but it’s so easy for someone, an academic or another commentator, to throw up some study or other which confirms the status quo and leaves me voiceless.
We have to be careful when arguing outside our specialties. Mine is not medical at all (town planning, history & philosophy of science), so anything I say must be rigorously backed up by counter-arguments from reputable sources. The TAE has been just great in this respect. Also, it is worth a lot to have an actual medical practitioner on board whose practical experience is that IVM is effective. Hard to argue with success, but of course the opposition will simply argue back that this experience is anecdotal, or not enough people in the case study, and the methodology is flawed, and so on.
Take a lesson from Paul Hellyer, who was Deputy PM of Canada under the first Trudeau. Decades ago he was most concerned about globalisation and its dangers, wrote at least two books about it (e.g. “Stop Think”), and came to Australia on a lecture tour. He told us that the hardest thing he had to do was to stand in front of a roomful of experts and tell them all, “You are wrong.” They didn’t listen of course, and the globalism project has proceeded until the dangers are now very real indeed.
We are all in Hellyer’s position.
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ParticipantAnother part of the great reset?
A cyber attack is grinding Australia’s biggest meat processor to a halt and the fallout is causing disarray for farmers and the livestock trade around the country.
This is JBS, the same company that is under cyber attack in the US. Brilliant strategy, isn’t it: allow far too many abattoirs to be owned and controlled by the one organisation, and then connect them all to the Internet so that they’re readily compromised.
In some ways, the Internet is as much a vector of infection as anything or anyone else. Sending the entire Internet into quarantine might be a good strategy.
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ParticipantThis morning ANOTHER article in The Conversation, telling us we must get vaccinated now now now, with the comments TURNED OFF.
I had thought the academic world was better than this. Sigh.
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ParticipantRe demonising the unvaccinated, conditions in Australia in general are still satisfactory. While there’s constant urging from governments for us to get our jabs, they haven’t YET started to become nasty about non-compliance.
Today The Conversation ran an article entitled I’m over 50 and hesitant about the AstraZeneca COVID vaccine. Should I wait for Pfizer? Normally readers can make comments on Conversation articles, but not this one.
There’s ZERO long-term data or results available on any of these rush-job vaccines, so I intend to wait as long as possible before making up my mind. But because the CDC recently shifted the goalposts regarding vaccine effectiveness and safety, I have no confidence that adverse events will be officially detected, much less officially analysed and reported.
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Participantphoenix voice wrote,
an experimental product that has not been fully approved by the FDA
Recall that in June (or is it July, forget) Pfizer will file for formal approval from the FDA, and I have read somewhere or other that approval will be granted in October. Whether that be true or not, when approval is granted then suddenly it’s not experimental any more and hence all objections on that ground are nullified.
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ParticipantIf you’re looking for a population to test how flu vaccines and covid interact, Australia might suit. Winter starts on 1 June and we’ve been encouraged to get our annual flu jabs now. I have never had a flu jab and have never had the flu, so I am content to maintain a watching brief.
I do hope that nothing bad emerges. The general public don’t deserve it. It’s not their fault. But it has been made their burden.
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ParticipantJust in case you’re not sure, The Chaser (Lazy Entitled Boomers Told To Get A Jab) is a well-known satirical site. Comparable to The Onion.
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