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The full power of the media is coming out against Ivermectin. Here is a doctor successfully using it but being treated like a kook.
The Allies on the Western front by the way were responsible for only 5% of German ground combat causalities during the entire war.
True but the western powers made up for it by killing more Germans after the war than they did during the war.
@John Day
The study found vaccinated individuals carry 251 times the load of COVID-19 viruses in their nostrils compared to the unvaccinated.
What the paper actually says is
Viral loads of breakthrough Delta variant infection cases were 251 times higher than those of cases infected with old strains detected between March-April 2020.
The comparison is between vaccinated people with the Delta variant and unvaccinated people with the Alpha variant. The simple comparison of vaccinated and unvaccinated viral loads made by the Defender is at best conjecture and not supported by the paper they cite. One can argue that there is no Delta variant, but that is a different issue. Including false claims diminishes the impact of any true claims one makes.
@phoenixvoice
I have seen the same video of the doctor vaping so it surprised me when the article said the 50% of the aerosols were captured. People breathe out around 2 teaspoons of water an hour It would seem that if a mask captured 50% of the aerosols you breathe out it would get pretty soggy.
Here is a link to the paper. It shows the collection device which is a large cone which captures all of a subject’s breath (including it would seem aerosols which go around the mask). It is hard to know if their apparatus captures the diffusion that occurs with a mask.An article on aerosols and Covid
A few key points:- Social distancing doesn’t work because aerosols diffuse
- Surgical masks cut down on aerosols by 50% with a link to the paper that shows this
- Ventilation is key but has been overlooked
- Two take aways: We need better research facilities to analyze what works and what doesn’t and better public spaces with better ventilation
As per the mask info, if correct I still have to wonder if they make any difference. If 50% gets out then without good ventilation it seems like they don’t really matter but I’m not sure about this.
So I watched the RebelWisdom Video. He starts by saying there are problems on both sides but then focuses exclusively on the problem of the counter narrative. The problems he actually talks about are 1) that spike proteins concentration are higher in other organs than the ovaries, 2) that variants are more likely a function of the number of cases rather than leaky vaccines 2) that Ivermectin is not 100% effective prophylactically. His main point is that proponents are saying that the evidence for Ivermectin is overwhelming but it is not. He talks a lot about biases and echo chambers but only applies these concepts to Weinstein, et. al. and not to the mainstream narrative. For example, he shows the videos of the guy in England who caught Covid, said it was minor and then died. He showed no videos of people vaccinated who were sorry for that and then died.
He has a interesting quote by Eric Weinstein, that the true case to be made for the vaccines is that there are risks, including potentially fatal and unknown future risks, but as a society we all need to take those risks for the good of all, kind of like being drafted into the military (I don’t think Eric is making this case, only saying that this is the more honest case to be made). What would happen if this case was plainly made by the authorities? How much less demonization of the other side would be happening? Is our society really so infantile that we can’t be told the truth?
@deflationista
I (and maybe others) asked how you find the truth of a matter. I read the first David Muller link you posted and skimmed the second one. Fuller tries to project a tone of fairness. He points out problems in Bret Weinstein’s viewpoint some of which seem to be valid. What he doesn’t do is talk about any of the problems in the mainstream narrative. An even handed assessment would discuss that their are problems with both narratives and try to reconcile these. He seems to have taken a side and doesn’t look like a fair arbiter.@deflationista
So do you believe there is no confirmation bias among the pro-vaxx crowd and among the Biden administration? In both politics and the vaxx debate both sides point at the other and say “those poor deluded fools, if only they would set aside their bias and listen to the truth.” How would a completely objective outsider tell who was correct? What is the secret recognizing the truth?@TDub
I don’t have a link but several months ago I saw an Indian doctor/researcher on YouTube claim that Ivermectin would be useful against ADE. Since ADE is the virus on overdrive the same mechanism that prevents the worst effects of Covid 19 will also prevent the worst effects of ADE. This makes sense to me, but first you have to believe the Ivermectin is useful against Covid 19 at all which at least some here don’t believe. With people I know their resistance to Ivermectin as a prophylactic will probably prevent them from using it against ADE.
BTW, my recollection is that he was pro-vaccine (this was before side effects were much known) but gave the Ivermectin for ADE advice just in case.I’ve seen claims that people can spread asymptomatically and claims they cannot. I followed some of the claims to two papers. One paper said they saw no asymptomatic spread. The other said they did, but it was all spread by presymptomatic carriers. My guess is there is an important distinction between asymptomatic and presymptomatic. People who never get symptoms have immune systems that are winning against the virus and don’t shed much. People who will get symptoms are losing against the virus and shed a lot more. Of course there is no way to distinguish between a- and pre- symptomatic people until after the fact.
As I said, this is just a guess and I would be interested in the opinion of someone more knowledgable.99% of those dying now were not vaccinated.
OK. But what percentage of those dying were treated with MATH+? I can agree that if MATH+ were not available people with risk factors are safer being vaccinated than not vaccinated, at least in the short term.
@House
This may indeed be “a sign of things to come”, as the jab will essentially be a requirement for remaining in the salaried class, while wage-earners will be less affected as a group by any such requirements.
Maybe the salaried class will get black overalls while the wage-earners will wear blue.
He works in the School of Social Sciences, Media & Communication there at Wollonong U
@dbentonsmith
I can’t find him under academic staff at UOW. One source says he is an epidemiologist working in chronic disease and is currently finishing his PhD at the University of Wollongong. I tried to find a better CV but came up empty handed. I am guessing he has never treated a single patient. I would rather trust guys like Kory and Yaron who have helped hundreds of patients than people who just read studies and criticize methodology. As Theodore Roosevelt said “It is not the critic who counts…The credit belongs to the man in the arena, whose face is marred by blood, and sweat and dust.”Remember how Janet Reno thought killing 500,000 Iraqis was worth it,
Point well taken but it was Madeleine Albright. Janet Reno only consented to the death of 76 Branch Davidians.
My knowledge of the 4 Horsemen is ancient, going back to a unique kind of Mormon
upbringing, and all the popular literature written about End TimesI take a little liberty but always think of the four horseman as Hunger, Violence and Disease with the fourth horse being the ultimate consequence of the first three, Death. The four horseman are the patron saints of the prepper movement.
And how does a unique Mormon upbringing differ from the standard Mormon upbringing?
Just read this at UNZ: Covid Riots
I love the final paragraph:And yet, far away from the media din we are surrounded by a beautiful world, full of grace and compassion. We deserve it. Our women could seduce the angels; our men defeated dragons. Our wise old folk argued with Socrates and prayed with Apostles. Every green valley, every river stream, every flower is a gift of God. Enjoy it, and ignore the busy termites who are well paid to keep us hanging on tenterhooks. Death is unavoidable; it is part and parcel of life. The best we can do is to avoid anxiety and enjoy life while it lasts. Let Fauci vaxx Bezos aboard their phallic spaceship. Just let them all fly away never to be seen again.
@House
Interesting article by Taibbi
Margaret Hoover:Because we are going to have to take care of you on the back end.
That logic can be used to control everything: What you eat, what you drink, where you sleep, who you sleep with, etc. etc. A great leap forward in control.
@House
Thanks for the Ian Welsh link. I read him often. He himself is closer to a “forced vaccination” kind of guy. I hope he reads his own comment section. In the past comments about Ivermectin would get blasted as pseudo-science and conspiracy theory nonsense. That seems to be less and less the case.This from The Hill
An Alabama doctor is opening up about her experience treating those hospitalized for the coronavirus amid a resurgence of cases, saying dying patients are asking her to vaccinate them.
“One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late,” Brytney Cobia, a hospitalist at Grandview Medical Center in Birmingham, wrote on Facebook this week.
“A few days later when I call time of death, I hug their family members and I tell them the best way to honor their loved one is to go get vaccinated and encourage everyone they know to do the same,” Cobia added.
So someone is conscious and able to beg but they still get intubated which apparently always leads to death. Is this really how it goes?
meta: this here site used to get three or four or five comments per day, pre- “covid”.
I’ve been reading TAE since 2009. Back then there were often 100 comments per day and sometimes 200. Ilargi and Stoneleigh kept their IRL identities secret so things seemed shrouded in mystery. The financial world seemed on the edge of collapse. There were bitter rivalries, trolls and marriage proposals in the comment section. Those were heady days. TAE changed platforms around 2012 and the new platform was a lot less friendly and TAE lost a lot of its regular commenters like Gravity, El Gallinazo, GreenPa and Snuffy. It has taken a while to gain back the energy it had back then but I think it is getting closer.
@ctbarnum
From Wikipedia:* Red triangle – political prisoners: social democrats, liberals, socialists, communists, anarchists, gentiles who assisted Jews; trade unionists; and Freemasons.
* Green triangle – convicts and criminals (often working as kapos).
* Blue triangle – foreign forced laborers and emigrants. This category included apatrides, Spanish refugees from Francoist Spain, whose citizenship was revoked and emigrants to countries which were occupied by Nazi Germany or were under German sphere of influence.[2]
Purple triangle – primarily Jehovah’s Witnesses (over 99%) as well as members of other small pacifist religious groups.[notes 1]
* Pink triangle – primarily homosexual men and those identified as such (e.g., bisexual men, trans women)[3][4][5] and sexual offenders as well as pedophiles and zoophiles.[6]
* Black triangle – people who were deemed asocial elements (asozial) and work-shy (arbeitsscheu), including the following:
– Roma and Sinti. They wore the black triangle with a Z notation (for Zigeuner, meaning Gypsy) to the right of the triangle’s point.
– Mentally ill and mentally disabled. Their triangles were inscribed with the word Blöd, meaning stupid.
– Alcoholics and drug addicts.
– Vagrants and beggars.
– Pacifists and conscription resisters.
– Prostitutes.
– Lesbians.
* Brown triangle – Romani maleI like the idea but think I am more of a black triangle guy, asocial, half stupid, half drug addict, half beggar.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/14/asia/indonesia-covid-intl-hnk/index.html
No mention in the article that India started using Ivermectin and that Indonesia has now authorized its use. It will be interesting to see what happens in Indonesia. If cases reduce it will probably just disappear from the news without comment like India did.
Why are we even arguing about this?
I think argue is too strong a word, but the reason I pointed it out is this: I dislike poor logic in support of something I believe to be true. It taints the truth and supports people who argue against it.
@House
The covid risk vs. vaccine risk analysis is unfair. The covid risk calculator factors in age, comorbidities, etc. while the VAERS calculation does not. You would need a similar VAERS calculator to tell you what the risks of dying of the vaccine are for an apple to apples comparison.
@Doc Robinson – Also FLCCC recommends that along with Ivermectin patients get Zinc, Vitamin D, Vitamin C, Quercetin and Melatonin. None of these are mentioned in the study.
@House
With computers this is known as Soffware As A Service or SAAS and if you can get people to sign up it’s the gravy train. It’s all about perpetual income. The 13th Amendment forbids involuntary servitude except as a punishment for crime. Luckily for large corporations the laws are so complex now that we are all guilty of some crime.Awaited Ivermectin Review Is Out
— Findings are positive, but critics still want a randomized controlled trialhttps://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/93485
And the bottom line is
Of course, rolling out vaccination as quickly and widespread as possible would negate the need to use ivermectin as a treatment, so big picture, vaccines are the better solution.
You can’t make this stuff up.
A friend just told me that his brother, himself a surgeon, suddenly had a stroke and had a blood clot removed from his brain in surgery. I didn’t want to ask his history and if and when he’d been vaccinated and can’t really know if that contributed. The friend is in the medical field and didn’t mention the possibility. I suspect that this will happen a lot and we will never know the true extent of the damage caused by gene therapy.
They’re coming for our kids
Why are they doing this? Some possibilities:
1. Infertility of kids will reduce population more in the long term
2. Vaccines cause long term health problems – They are priming the health care gravy train
3. They care about us and our kids and it’s for everyone’s good
4. They are raising the cognitive dissonance bar – Some one who had their kids vaxxed will never accept vaxxing as a mistake
5. It’s just the money – The more doses the more profit
6. Getting kids vaxxed will make them more willing to get perpetual mRNA shotsDoes anyone have the definitive answer?
I read the transcript of that Harris “talk” to the advocates who will go door-to-door. It’s an understatement to say it makes your skin crawl. Just WHAT is wrong with people that this seems like normal behavior?
Going door to door to ask if your vote was properly counted is intimidation. But the person who took you to vote knocks on your door to and tells you your commander in chief wants you to get an experimental ‘vaccine’ as your patriotic duty? No problemo.
Here’s some comedy relief for you all. My daughter got vaccinated and is now visiting. In the middle of last night our smoke alarm started beeping. The alarms are hardwired and the guest room and master bedroom ones are connected. We smelled no smoke. My wife joked that maybe my daughter is shedding spike proteins and those set off her smoke alarm. In our sleepy stupor we had a good laugh about that. It turned out the battery for the alarm had just run down.
The intention could have been a lampooning people who believe the “China Virus” meme
I don’t think they care anymore if it came from a lab or not. Trump is gone. Fauci is disposable. The vaccines are established in perpetuity. THe Stuart/Colbert performance was just misdirection. When John Stuart says Ivermectin would have saved hundreds of thousands, the vaccines should be cancelled and that Pfizer et. al. should be held criminally liable I will be impressed.
I am involved in an ongoing thread about Covid 19 on Reddit. I stated that the spike proteins are pathogens and go through out the body. I believed this to be established scientific fact. Other people respond that this is not the case. They site Derek Lowe (who has worked for big pharma since 1989) at https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/05/04/spike-protein-behavior who says the spike proteins stay at the injection site and also site other sources that the spike proteins are engineered to be benign. They quote yet other sources that say that Bret Weinstein and Bryam Bridle are basically antivaxx trolls. Does anyone know an absolutely authoritative source for the spike proteins being being found in the blood stream after vaccination and proof that the spike proteins from the vaccine being pathogens?
I am involved in an ongoing thread about Covid 19 on Reddit. I stated that the spike proteins are pathogens and go through out the body. I believed this to be established scientific fact. Other people respond that this is not the case. They site Derek Lowe (who has worked for big pharma since 1989) at https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/05/04/spike-protein-behavior who says the spike proteins stay at the injection site and also site other sources that the spike proteins are engineered to be benign. They quote yet other sources that say that Bret Weinstein and Bryam Bridle are basically antivaxx trolls. Does anyone know an absolutely authoritative source for the spike proteins being being found in the blood stream after vaccination and proof that the spike proteins from the vaccine being pathogens?
@Formerly T Bear
I agree with all you wrote and wasn’t trying to correct your idea. I was just offering an additional perspective.@Formerly T Bear
Interesting concept – institutionalisation – a fancy word for monopolisation
I would add corporatization. We fear AI taking over our world but it has already happened. Corporations are artificial autonomous structures with a set of rules that have a life of their own. No single person including the CEO can change a corporation much. If the CEO tries to he/she will be replaced with someone who follows the rules and the prime directive is to make money. Given this it is not all surprising that big pharma did what they did. The surprise (at least for some) is that the government and the news media whose job it is to oppose corporate malfeasance are also now corporatized, have pretty much the same built in rules and are driven mostly by profit.
@absolute galore
My wife and I and son in law are all taking Ivermectin prophylacticly. We bought horse paste when it was only $7 a tube. Since then we both got prescriptions from an FLCCC doctor. We also take vitamin C and D plus zinc daily. We have been taking vitamin C for 5 years after reading about Pauling Therapy. Neither of us has had a cold or the flu since starting that regimen not to mention improved heart health.@Michael Reid
Another possibility is that the mRNA vaccines kill few but make many infertile. Since Sinovac and Sputnik are conventional vaccines the Chinese and Russians can be vaccinated and still propogate. In the end the same result, it just takes longer. The Chinese play the long game.
And yet another possibility: The vaccines don’t kill but cause creeping neurological damage which in many ways would be worse for the US than an outright culling. Them that dies be the lucky ones.
