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@expatkiwi
Someone in the comment section of the Berenson piece pointed out that they loosened the definition of vaccine to:vaccine: a preparation that is administered to stimulate the body’s immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease
I take Vitamin D to specifically fight Covid 19 every day. I’m vaccinated and have daily boosters!
I think it is beneficial to acknowledge those facts. I can see how someone can look at that data and make a personal decision to take the jab. I can also see how someone can look at that data and make a personal decision to not take the jab – to see that small benefit as not outweighing the personal and societal risks.
I agree with this but the what is never included in the data are columns for how people who have taken prophylactic measures are faring in terms of hospitalization and death, those other measures being Vitamin C, D, zinc, etc. People are not being told about these in the MSM and I gather from my limited contact with people that they just don’t know about them. I think a table that showed how people are doing with those (including IVM.HCQ) would be a game changer but expect that this data isn’t being gathered and wouldn’t be published even if it was. We are being fed a false dichotomy.
@Dr. D.
I saw Fantastic Voyage as a kid at the drive in when it first came out. I always wished I could tear antibodies off Raquel Welch.@PolderDweller
My work place sounds similar. Everyone vaxxed and sure that they are doing the right thing. I ask myself what is about to hit them and have to admit maybe nothing is about to hit them. It’s possible that the majority of people will have no discernible negative vaccine effects (or won’t connect them if they do) even with boosters. Five years from now they may still believe they did the right thing and because of this they will accept the passports as a necessary evil in perpetuity. I also have to admit that if I got the vaxx I might have no adverse consequence. But I am convinced that the passport is the goal and is worse than Covid 19 and worse than the vaccine and that getting vaxxed is tacit approval of the passport. On top of that of course is my belief that early treatments are safer and more effective than the vaccines and have been blocked by a corrupt system that cares nothing for people and whose goal is money, power and control.@John Day
I can hardly express how impressed I am with your action. My employer isn’t mandating vaccination but won’t let me come into the office. Luckily I can work from home perfectly well. I know I would feel immense trauma if they said get vaxxed or leave. I stand with you.
I wonder if people realize that the way they are treating you is the same way people have treated the marginalized throughout history. “Why can’t he just get the shot?” is equivalent to “why can’t he just convert to Christianity?” or “Why can’t he just join the party?”
I read “The Hiding Place” a long time ago. Corrie Ten Boom remembered seeing German troops forcing prisoners into box cars. He father was watching and said “Those poor souls.” When she looked at her father she was surprised to see he was looking not at the prisoners but at the German troops. I try to remember that in all this.67-year-old former Notre Dame professor says “damn the unvaccinated,” dead 12 days after third Pfizer mRNA injection
She blamed her death on the unvaxxed crowding up the hospitals.Don’t mask up, ventilate.
SARS-cov-2 rna eliminated from hospital ward air by air filtrationMake sure and have a barf bag handy if you read this:
The Parents Who Lied to Get Their 11-Year-Olds VaccinatedInfo about the historical Spartacus:
Spartacus was a Thracian gladiator who, along with Crixus, Gannicus, Castus, and Oenomaus, was one of the escaped slave leaders in the Third Servile War, a major slave uprising against the Roman Republic. This rebellion, interpreted by some as an example of oppressed people fighting for their freedom against a slave-owning oligarchy, has provided inspiration for many political thinkers, and has been featured in literature, television, and film. The philosopher Voltaire described the Third Servile War as “the only just war in history.” Although this interpretation is not specifically contradicted by classical historians, no historical account mentions that the goal was to end slavery in the Republic.
A number of people from Edson, Alberta are in ICU after attending a “COVID party”, where they hoped to achieve natural immunity.
The report is vague. A number of people could mean 2. How about some real numbers. At the end of the report they ask the hospital for specific numbers but none are reported. None of these reporters seem interested in the complete story. I would ask how many of all the people in that hospital for Covid 19 were offered early out patient treatment? Probably none. It’s again the false choice, leaky vaccine or nothing until you are in the hospital.
@generic
I appreciate and believe your ad hoc poll. I believe that vaccines are better than doing nothing in the short term and maybe even in the long term (we don’t know yet), but the point is, they are forcing us to compare getting the jab against doing nothing.Here is a conversation I had with my brother:
– Him: The hospitals in northern Idaho are overwhelmed with unvaxxed Covid patients
– Me: How many of those patients were offered any kind of out-patient treatment when they first caught Covid
– Him: I don’t know
– Me: Probably few of them if any. The standard of care is if you get Covid, stay home until you think you might die and then come to the hospital. I believe that given home treatment the hospitals wouldn’t be overrun.
– Him: So you believe there are such treatments?
– Me: There are many doctors that claim there are
– Him: But they’re not FDA approved
– Me: Yes, the FDA, CDC, etc. have had 18 months to investigate early treatment. If they have I haven’t heard about it. The NIH finally recommended Vitamin C, D and zinc for prevention and treatment of Covid a few days ago. I have been called an idiot on line for suggesting people take these because they weren’t approved. Those alone might have prevented a lot of hospitalizations.The mainstream narrative has fought any kind of out patient treatment tooth and nail and presents the false dilemma of getting jabbed or doing nothing. I would ask why, but it would just be rhetorical.
@chooch
Thanks for the description of your bout with the holocough. Were you and your wife taking anything prophylactically?Probably the best synopsis on the whole issue I have read. I feel like I was red pilled and later on black pilled. This essay is the much more hopeful brown pill.
The pandemic of the unvaccinated will continue as the definition of fully vaccinated evolves. Soon fully vaccinated will require three shots, then four shots and so on so the reports of hospitals overrun by the unvaccinated can still be made.
@ezlxa1848
So interesting that you mention the book by Peter Boghossian and James Lindsay. Boghossian just quit Portland State University where he was professor of philosophy for 10 years because he says the university is all about conformity to wokeness now and just a social justice factory:
Makes me even more interested in reading his book.@Kimo
I generally like what Karl Denniger says but I find this piece to be a little strange. By his logic people not getting the jab ages 0 to 39 are, as he puts it, “angels of death” and should get the jab. Also he claims the data proves the jab is destroying existing immunity. There are other possible explanations for the data, e.g. a lot of people between 40 and 79 who didn’t get the jab already had Covid 19 so the case rate for them is lower. I’m not saying this is the case, just saying there are other possible explanations and without more data it’s hard to know.Denniger doesn’t mention early treatment in this article (he has elsewhere) and IMO that is the whole enchilada. Vaxxed vs. unvaxxed data is not so useful. I want to see vaxxed vs. no early treatment vs. early treatment data. Also some data with other variables like BMI would be nice. We are being told it is the jab or nothing and I believe that is the big lie. I have, so to speak, hitched my wagon to the effectiveness of prophylactic and early outpatient home treatment. Data from places like India and Mexico seems to say it is the right choice. The data Denniger is using is interesting but unless I’m missing something it doesn’t help a lot because it is missing the variables I’m interested in. Of course the people that are publishing this data will never include the variables I’m interested in.
@Adlertag
Thanks for the honest analysis of what is going on in the UK. What I’d like to see is an analysis that includes people taking vitamin C, D and zinc etc. I accept that the vaccines are somewhat effective but with some terrible side effects and unknown long term consequences. The questions is how the vaccines compare to other treatments in the short and long term. That information will probably never be gathered.@jsnyder
As I understand it you give 10,000 people the vaccine and 10,000 no vaccine. 100 of the not vaxxed get Covid and only 5 of the vaxxed get Covid. The vaccine is thus 95% effective. How many die isn’t part of the study. These aren’t the exact number but are on the scale of what was actually used for Covid 19vaccinestherapies.It appears that discussion and evidence will no longer convince people. Only knowing people who die will get people to reconsider. We are in the sorry position where only immense suffering can change our minds.
Pro Vaxx Victory nears
Arkansas inmates say the were guinea pigs for Ivermectin
No mention of whether it was effective or not.: No prescribing or dispensing Ivermectin except in trials
I suppose ‘dispensing’ means you can’t get it from a pharmacy any more unless you’re willing to contract head lice.I’ve never seen the MSM go after anything with such ferocity. If Ivermectin caused a fraction of the adverse effects the vaccines do it might be understandable. The claim, I suppose, is that it’s keeping people from getting vaxxed and so pure evil since the vaccines are the good of all goods. Without Ivermectin (and hydrocholoroquine, etc.) people would have no choice but to get vaxxed or die and the age of Aquarius could finally dawn.
I suggested a few days ago that people check out the ivermectin subreddit. Since then it has been completely been taken over by trolls. Almost all posts involve horses and many are pornographic. That’s where we’re at in a nutshell.
Thing is, yes, she’s on a weird show, but I see people all the time on Tucker or Maddow or Infowars, and all I look at anymore is what they have to say.
Agreed. Or paraphrasing another recent commenter:
You attack this Peters dude as if he is some right wing agent planted to disseminate anti-vaccine propaganda. That’s a common response in these darkened times when people say things that run counter to your precious narrative. I didn’t even know who Peters was until today when I watched that video. Who cares what his credentials are? That somehow negates his analysis of crappy info from Pfizer and pro-vax propagandists?
Interesting sub-reddit for Ivermectin. Mostly pro but plenty of detractors.
Some Interesting Figures:
- Population of Afghanistan: 40 million
- Amount spent by the US on the Afghan war: $2 trillion
- Amount spent per Afghani: $50,000
- Average yearly income in Afghanistan: $18,000
- Most typical yearly income in Afghanistan: $1,000
- Yearly GDP of Afghanistan: $20 billion
- Number of years of Afghan GDP the US spent on the war: 100 years
- Years of Afghani GDP spent by the US per year of the war: 5 years per year
The full power of the media is coming out against Ivermectin. Here is a doctor successfully using it but being treated like a kook.
The Allies on the Western front by the way were responsible for only 5% of German ground combat causalities during the entire war.
True but the western powers made up for it by killing more Germans after the war than they did during the war.
@John Day
The study found vaccinated individuals carry 251 times the load of COVID-19 viruses in their nostrils compared to the unvaccinated.
What the paper actually says is
Viral loads of breakthrough Delta variant infection cases were 251 times higher than those of cases infected with old strains detected between March-April 2020.
The comparison is between vaccinated people with the Delta variant and unvaccinated people with the Alpha variant. The simple comparison of vaccinated and unvaccinated viral loads made by the Defender is at best conjecture and not supported by the paper they cite. One can argue that there is no Delta variant, but that is a different issue. Including false claims diminishes the impact of any true claims one makes.
@phoenixvoice
I have seen the same video of the doctor vaping so it surprised me when the article said the 50% of the aerosols were captured. People breathe out around 2 teaspoons of water an hour It would seem that if a mask captured 50% of the aerosols you breathe out it would get pretty soggy.
Here is a link to the paper. It shows the collection device which is a large cone which captures all of a subject’s breath (including it would seem aerosols which go around the mask). It is hard to know if their apparatus captures the diffusion that occurs with a mask.An article on aerosols and Covid
A few key points:- Social distancing doesn’t work because aerosols diffuse
- Surgical masks cut down on aerosols by 50% with a link to the paper that shows this
- Ventilation is key but has been overlooked
- Two take aways: We need better research facilities to analyze what works and what doesn’t and better public spaces with better ventilation
As per the mask info, if correct I still have to wonder if they make any difference. If 50% gets out then without good ventilation it seems like they don’t really matter but I’m not sure about this.
So I watched the RebelWisdom Video. He starts by saying there are problems on both sides but then focuses exclusively on the problem of the counter narrative. The problems he actually talks about are 1) that spike proteins concentration are higher in other organs than the ovaries, 2) that variants are more likely a function of the number of cases rather than leaky vaccines 2) that Ivermectin is not 100% effective prophylactically. His main point is that proponents are saying that the evidence for Ivermectin is overwhelming but it is not. He talks a lot about biases and echo chambers but only applies these concepts to Weinstein, et. al. and not to the mainstream narrative. For example, he shows the videos of the guy in England who caught Covid, said it was minor and then died. He showed no videos of people vaccinated who were sorry for that and then died.
He has a interesting quote by Eric Weinstein, that the true case to be made for the vaccines is that there are risks, including potentially fatal and unknown future risks, but as a society we all need to take those risks for the good of all, kind of like being drafted into the military (I don’t think Eric is making this case, only saying that this is the more honest case to be made). What would happen if this case was plainly made by the authorities? How much less demonization of the other side would be happening? Is our society really so infantile that we can’t be told the truth?
@deflationista
I (and maybe others) asked how you find the truth of a matter. I read the first David Muller link you posted and skimmed the second one. Fuller tries to project a tone of fairness. He points out problems in Bret Weinstein’s viewpoint some of which seem to be valid. What he doesn’t do is talk about any of the problems in the mainstream narrative. An even handed assessment would discuss that their are problems with both narratives and try to reconcile these. He seems to have taken a side and doesn’t look like a fair arbiter.@deflationista
So do you believe there is no confirmation bias among the pro-vaxx crowd and among the Biden administration? In both politics and the vaxx debate both sides point at the other and say “those poor deluded fools, if only they would set aside their bias and listen to the truth.” How would a completely objective outsider tell who was correct? What is the secret recognizing the truth?@TDub
I don’t have a link but several months ago I saw an Indian doctor/researcher on YouTube claim that Ivermectin would be useful against ADE. Since ADE is the virus on overdrive the same mechanism that prevents the worst effects of Covid 19 will also prevent the worst effects of ADE. This makes sense to me, but first you have to believe the Ivermectin is useful against Covid 19 at all which at least some here don’t believe. With people I know their resistance to Ivermectin as a prophylactic will probably prevent them from using it against ADE.
BTW, my recollection is that he was pro-vaccine (this was before side effects were much known) but gave the Ivermectin for ADE advice just in case.I’ve seen claims that people can spread asymptomatically and claims they cannot. I followed some of the claims to two papers. One paper said they saw no asymptomatic spread. The other said they did, but it was all spread by presymptomatic carriers. My guess is there is an important distinction between asymptomatic and presymptomatic. People who never get symptoms have immune systems that are winning against the virus and don’t shed much. People who will get symptoms are losing against the virus and shed a lot more. Of course there is no way to distinguish between a- and pre- symptomatic people until after the fact.
As I said, this is just a guess and I would be interested in the opinion of someone more knowledgable.99% of those dying now were not vaccinated.
OK. But what percentage of those dying were treated with MATH+? I can agree that if MATH+ were not available people with risk factors are safer being vaccinated than not vaccinated, at least in the short term.
@House
This may indeed be “a sign of things to come”, as the jab will essentially be a requirement for remaining in the salaried class, while wage-earners will be less affected as a group by any such requirements.
Maybe the salaried class will get black overalls while the wage-earners will wear blue.
